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Re: DriveCrypt anonymous 11-26-2008
Posted by anonymous on November 26, 2008, 8:45 am
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I don't want to knock them out of business, but TrueCrypt is free and
open source. I would go with them. You have to take DriveCrypt's word
concerning not having a back door. Even their claim to not having one
because of the loss of reputation can not be verified. For all you
know this could be an intelligence agency front company. Go with
TrueCrypt.

http://www.truecrypt.org/



Posted by nemo_outis on November 26, 2008, 11:46 am
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@news.mixmin.net:

> I don't want to knock them out of business, but TrueCrypt is free and
> open source. I would go with them. You have to take DriveCrypt's word
> concerning not having a back door. Even their claim to not having one
> because of the loss of reputation can not be verified. For all you
> know this could be an intelligence agency front company. Go with
> TrueCrypt.
>
> http://www.truecrypt.org/


Truecrypt is an excellent program BUT...

1) You have no idea who the developers are (they remain pseudonymous)

2) Very few people compile the Windows binaries from source; it is
exceedingly difficult to generate binaries from source that match the
binaries provided by Truecrypt (due to compiler options, etc.)

3) There are NO (zip, nada, zilch) published detailed reviews of the
source code. Availability of open-source *doesn't* mean that reviews
actually get done!

4) Truecrypt has ruthlessley suppressed all earlier versions (from
wayback, sourceforge, oldapps, etc.) even though they were supposedly
open-source (thus making incremental review impossible). This is
ominous!

5) There is no public mechanism for submission and review of bug
reports, etc. Any bug database, etc. is CLOSED! to the public, with only
a "bug report form" available that goes into a black hole unacknowledged.

6) The Truecrypt forums are run in an exceedingly autocratic and
unfriendly way, with many posts arbitrarily removed. Many topics (not
just the ones in the posting guidelines) are "off limits." Moreover, the
forums sometimes close unexplained for long periods (a month or more) and
reemerge with many posts purged. The moderators make it very difficult
for posters to contact each other directly.

7) The license for Truecrypt is NOT open source (e.g., doesn't meet OSI
criteria) and is quite restrictive.

There are a number of rationales presented in defence of the above points
by the developers (e.g., centralized control, quality, reputation, etc.)
but they are all, IMHO, very weak in contrast to the opposing views.

In short, there is NO substantive public evidence that Truecrypt's source
code has been the subject of thorough review, nor is there any reason to
rely on the credentials of the developers (since they remain anonymous).
In that absence, using Truecrypt is an act of blind faith every bit as
much (or more!) than using a closed-source encryption program.

Regards,

Posted by John Smith on November 26, 2008, 1:55 pm
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nemo_outis wrote:
> @news.mixmin.net:
>
>> I don't want to knock them out of business, but TrueCrypt is free and
>> open source. I would go with them. You have to take DriveCrypt's word
>> concerning not having a back door. Even their claim to not having one
>> because of the loss of reputation can not be verified. For all you
>> know this could be an intelligence agency front company. Go with
>> TrueCrypt.
>>
>> http://www.truecrypt.org/
>
>
> Truecrypt is an excellent program BUT...
>
> 1) You have no idea who the developers are (they remain pseudonymous)
>
> 2) Very few people compile the Windows binaries from source; it is
> exceedingly difficult to generate binaries from source that match the
> binaries provided by Truecrypt (due to compiler options, etc.)
>
> 3) There are NO (zip, nada, zilch) published detailed reviews of the
> source code. Availability of open-source *doesn't* mean that reviews
> actually get done!
>
> 4) Truecrypt has ruthlessley suppressed all earlier versions (from
> wayback, sourceforge, oldapps, etc.) even though they were supposedly
> open-source (thus making incremental review impossible). This is
> ominous!
>
> 5) There is no public mechanism for submission and review of bug
> reports, etc. Any bug database, etc. is CLOSED! to the public, with only
> a "bug report form" available that goes into a black hole unacknowledged.
>
> 6) The Truecrypt forums are run in an exceedingly autocratic and
> unfriendly way, with many posts arbitrarily removed. Many topics (not
> just the ones in the posting guidelines) are "off limits." Moreover, the
> forums sometimes close unexplained for long periods (a month or more) and
> reemerge with many posts purged. The moderators make it very difficult
> for posters to contact each other directly.
>
> 7) The license for Truecrypt is NOT open source (e.g., doesn't meet OSI
> criteria) and is quite restrictive.
>
> There are a number of rationales presented in defence of the above points
> by the developers (e.g., centralized control, quality, reputation, etc.)
> but they are all, IMHO, very weak in contrast to the opposing views.
>
> In short, there is NO substantive public evidence that Truecrypt's source
> code has been the subject of thorough review, nor is there any reason to
> rely on the credentials of the developers (since they remain anonymous).
> In that absence, using Truecrypt is an act of blind faith every bit as
> much (or more!) than using a closed-source encryption program.
>
> Regards,

DriveCrypt does have an excellent reputation...... And good support.
It looks like the best on the market now are the paid PGP products and
the DriveCrypt Plus Pack.

Posted by nemo_outis on November 26, 2008, 3:23 pm
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> DriveCrypt does have an excellent reputation...... And good support.
> It looks like the best on the market now are the paid PGP products and
> the DriveCrypt Plus Pack.

With commercial developers there are a number of things to look for:

1) Company rep
2) Product rep (including bugtraq bugs, etc.)
3) Company Support
4) Price
5) For the paranoid: Company location (outside US, NATO countries, etc.)
6) Product features (especially whether you need the "corporate
adminsitrative stuff" - most vendors make most of their money from
companies, not consumers)
7) Third-party certification, especially FIPS-2.

For instance, Winmagic's Securedoc (from Canada) has FIPS-2 Level 2
certification. No, that isn't equivalent to open-source and some people
believe even the independent FIPS labs may be compromised, but it does
mean the product has undergone a rigorous independent review using a
standardized process.

However, getting FIPS-2 certification is costly and some feel it is
mostly just a marketing thing (like ISO 9000) so that it can be bought by
government and corporate customers who have to comply with shit like
HIPAA and need to cover their butts for necessary certifications/due
diligence.

My personal preference (yes, even over Truecrypt) is closed-source
commercial Bestcrypt Volume Encryption from Jetico (in Finland). Cutting
edge technology (RAID, XTS, multi-password, etc.) from a company with a
long track record. (No FIPS-2 cert though.)

While Bestcrypt or Truecrypt is enough for most, for those with serious
needs I recommend taking the performance and complication hit and using a
multi-layer approach which largely eliminates any single point of failure
(e.g., if one product has a bug or backdoor).

For instance, one might use a Seagate Momentus FDE-2 hardware-encrypted
drive, with Bestcrypt whole-disk encryption layered on. Real paranoids
might even add a third layer, keeping especially sensitive data in
Truecrypt container files.

Regards,

Posted by Anonymous on November 26, 2008, 7:11 pm
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nemo_outis wrote:

> My personal preference (yes, even over Truecrypt) is closed-source
> commercial Bestcrypt Volume Encryption from Jetico (in Finland). Cutting

1. Bestcrypt isn't closed source, you ninny.

2. What happened to you prattling on about it being "whole disk"?



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