PR: Brinks Home Security files Civil Suit against Jim Rojas & www.tech-man.com

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PR: Brinks Home Security files Civil Suit against Jim Rojas & www.tech-man.com Jim Rojas 04-03-2007
Posted by Jim Rojas on April 3, 2007, 10:10 pm
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Read all about it...

http://www.tech-man.com/brinks.asp

Thank you all for your continued support.

Jim Rojas

Posted by Robert L Bass on April 3, 2007, 10:46 pm
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> Thank you all for your continued support...

Sorry to hear this, Jim. I hope you beat them.

The systems which they claim are being
converted (fancy word for "stolen") by you
are not in your possession and have never
been in your possession. In fact, they have
all been abandoned (Brinks' SOP) when
the homeowners stopped paying for
monitoring. They *never* go out to
collect their used systems after they've been
in place for a while because they know
they can't sell them again. Every customer
wants a new system.

While they might be able to prevail in the
matter of the programmers themselves,
that should not give rise to any significant
award. First, they have no idea how
many programmers you've ever touched.
Second, the programmers' intrinsic value
is small. Third, Brinks might be shown
to have abandoned them as well unless
they have sued ex-employees who failed
to turn them in. If they made no real
effort to get them back after allowing
someone to use them for a time, they
are abandoned property.

As to copyright claims regarding the
software in these abandoned alarm
panels, that is nonsense. You have not
copied and distributed such "software."

Of course, IANAL but the points are
things you'll certainly want to go over
with your lawyer. Perhaps a counter-
suit is in order. Their frivolous lawsuit
is certainly intended to interfere with
your business. What you need to do
is show that it's tortious.

It might help if you got sworn statements
from other dealers who have seen many
abandoned Brinks systems. Some of us
have sold replacement systems to *lots*
of ex-Brinks clients and are aware that
Brinks does not make any effort to retrieve
the systems.

If I can be of help let me know. I have
numerous ex-Brinks customers as DIY
clients. I could send out an email asking
for comments about their service, why
they cancelled and whether Brinks tried
to retrieve the leased systems. We both
know what the answers would be.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-925-8650
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>



Posted by Nick Markowitz Jr. on April 3, 2007, 11:04 pm
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Seems to me if this equiptment was leased they would have a sticker on it
some where saying it is leased and were to return it like all other companys
who lease equiptment I deal with. I have seen over the years companys try to
claim property that is theres and unless they vigorously enforce the lease
agreement including properly makring it most district courts up here say too
bad when a buisness goes belly up and equiptment is removed.

Hope you kick there ass in court.

>> Thank you all for your continued support...
>
> Sorry to hear this, Jim. I hope you beat them.
>
> The systems which they claim are being
> converted (fancy word for "stolen") by you
> are not in your possession and have never
> been in your possession. In fact, they have
> all been abandoned (Brinks' SOP) when
> the homeowners stopped paying for
> monitoring. They *never* go out to
> collect their used systems after they've been
> in place for a while because they know
> they can't sell them again. Every customer
> wants a new system.
>
> While they might be able to prevail in the
> matter of the programmers themselves,
> that should not give rise to any significant
> award. First, they have no idea how
> many programmers you've ever touched.
> Second, the programmers' intrinsic value
> is small. Third, Brinks might be shown
> to have abandoned them as well unless
> they have sued ex-employees who failed
> to turn them in. If they made no real
> effort to get them back after allowing
> someone to use them for a time, they
> are abandoned property.
>
> As to copyright claims regarding the
> software in these abandoned alarm
> panels, that is nonsense. You have not
> copied and distributed such "software."
>
> Of course, IANAL but the points are
> things you'll certainly want to go over
> with your lawyer. Perhaps a counter-
> suit is in order. Their frivolous lawsuit
> is certainly intended to interfere with
> your business. What you need to do
> is show that it's tortious.
>
> It might help if you got sworn statements
> from other dealers who have seen many
> abandoned Brinks systems. Some of us
> have sold replacement systems to *lots*
> of ex-Brinks clients and are aware that
> Brinks does not make any effort to retrieve
> the systems.
>
> If I can be of help let me know. I have
> numerous ex-Brinks customers as DIY
> clients. I could send out an email asking
> for comments about their service, why
> they cancelled and whether Brinks tried
> to retrieve the leased systems. We both
> know what the answers would be.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
> =============================>
> Bass Home Electronics
> 941-925-8650
> 4883 Fallcrest Circle
> Sarasota · Florida · 34233
> http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
> =============================>
>



Posted by Mark Leuck on April 4, 2007, 2:09 am
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> Seems to me if this equiptment was leased they would have a sticker on it
> some where saying it is leased and were to return it like all other
companys
> who lease equiptment I deal with. I have seen over the years companys try
to
> claim property that is theres and unless they vigorously enforce the lease
> agreement including properly makring it most district courts up here say
too
> bad when a buisness goes belly up and equiptment is removed.
>
> Hope you kick there ass in court.

Every panel enclosure does, I've seen just about every Brinks system made
and with the exception of the really ancient stuff anything made in the last
10 to 20 years has it printed on the front of the main box

>
> >> Thank you all for your continued support...
> >
> > Sorry to hear this, Jim. I hope you beat them.
> >
> > The systems which they claim are being
> > converted (fancy word for "stolen") by you
> > are not in your possession and have never
> > been in your possession. In fact, they have
> > all been abandoned (Brinks' SOP) when
> > the homeowners stopped paying for
> > monitoring. They *never* go out to
> > collect their used systems after they've been
> > in place for a while because they know
> > they can't sell them again. Every customer
> > wants a new system.
> >
> > While they might be able to prevail in the
> > matter of the programmers themselves,
> > that should not give rise to any significant
> > award. First, they have no idea how
> > many programmers you've ever touched.
> > Second, the programmers' intrinsic value
> > is small. Third, Brinks might be shown
> > to have abandoned them as well unless
> > they have sued ex-employees who failed
> > to turn them in. If they made no real
> > effort to get them back after allowing
> > someone to use them for a time, they
> > are abandoned property.
> >
> > As to copyright claims regarding the
> > software in these abandoned alarm
> > panels, that is nonsense. You have not
> > copied and distributed such "software."
> >
> > Of course, IANAL but the points are
> > things you'll certainly want to go over
> > with your lawyer. Perhaps a counter-
> > suit is in order. Their frivolous lawsuit
> > is certainly intended to interfere with
> > your business. What you need to do
> > is show that it's tortious.
> >
> > It might help if you got sworn statements
> > from other dealers who have seen many
> > abandoned Brinks systems. Some of us
> > have sold replacement systems to *lots*
> > of ex-Brinks clients and are aware that
> > Brinks does not make any effort to retrieve
> > the systems.
> >
> > If I can be of help let me know. I have
> > numerous ex-Brinks customers as DIY
> > clients. I could send out an email asking
> > for comments about their service, why
> > they cancelled and whether Brinks tried
> > to retrieve the leased systems. We both
> > know what the answers would be.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards,
> > Robert L Bass
> >
> > =============================>
> > Bass Home Electronics
> > 941-925-8650
> > 4883 Fallcrest Circle
> > Sarasota · Florida · 34233
> > http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
> > =============================>
> >
>
>



Posted by Mark Leuck on April 4, 2007, 2:07 am
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> > Thank you all for your continued support...
>
> Sorry to hear this, Jim. I hope you beat them.
>
> The systems which they claim are being
> converted (fancy word for "stolen") by you
> are not in your possession and have never
> been in your possession. In fact, they have
> all been abandoned (Brinks' SOP) when
> the homeowners stopped paying for
> monitoring. They *never* go out to
> collect their used systems after they've been
> in place for a while because they know
> they can't sell them again. Every customer
> wants a new system.

Every Brinks system has a disclaimer ON THE BOX which states the customer
does not own the system, Brinks does

> While they might be able to prevail in the
> matter of the programmers themselves,
> that should not give rise to any significant
> award. First, they have no idea how
> many programmers you've ever touched.
> Second, the programmers' intrinsic value
> is small. Third, Brinks might be shown
> to have abandoned them as well unless
> they have sued ex-employees who failed
> to turn them in. If they made no real
> effort to get them back after allowing
> someone to use them for a time, they
> are abandoned property.

Thank you Perry Mason, however in the real world it's quite a bit different

> If I can be of help let me know. I have
> numerous ex-Brinks customers as DIY
> clients. I could send out an email asking
> for comments about their service, why
> they cancelled and whether Brinks tried
> to retrieve the leased systems. We both
> know what the answers would be.

Any answer would be worthless to this case




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