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Notifier Roland Moore 03-31-2007
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Posted by Roland Moore on March 31, 2007, 1:35 am
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So we are sick of not having a decent dialer in the Hochiki panel and the
boys that went to the ISC show came back with Notifier. I haven't used that
brand in a while. I am hoping it isn't as complex as Edwards (GE); we're not
Edwards dealers. Is there anything that Edwards panels can't do? I don't
need another week or two of classes to enjoy. I don't like fire that much
anyway.
Who uses Notifier here? Like it? Hate it?
Since it is Honeywell I am surprised they don't try to sell it at ADI.



Posted by Milhouse Van Houten on March 31, 2007, 2:21 am
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Roland Moore wrote:

>Since it is Honeywell I am surprised they don't try to sell it at ADI.
>

Maybe they didn't take you to the show for a reason. You just have a
problem with ADI and their customers, don't you?

I have always had the impression you're a fucking elitist because you
deal mainly with Bosch crap. I've always used bulletproof Silent
Knight dialers, sold at ADI.

Your attitude about dealers who don't install anything except Bosch,
or DMP is wearing thin... similarly to your choices for video.. You
think your way is the only way -- and the rest are somehow inferior
for not adopting an all IP solution from Axis, Bosch, IqEnvison..
etc.. Get fucked. Your elitist attitude is not well received.


Yours Truly,
Trunk Slammer







Posted by Roland Moore on March 31, 2007, 4:12 am
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> Roland Moore wrote:
>
>>Since it is Honeywell I am surprised they don't try to sell it at ADI.
>>
>
> Maybe they didn't take you to the show for a reason.
Yes, I have all the social grqaces but I am not house broken.

>You just have a problem with ADI and their customers, don't you?
I don't have a problem with ADI. They send customers our way when they get
special calls from end users. I thank them properly. Some guys at ADI used
to work for me many moons ago. I know them all at the local branch. As for
ADI customers (other dealers) I talk to them politely too when they call me
for help.

>
> I have always had the impression you're a fucking elitist because you
> deal mainly with Bosch crap. I've always used bulletproof Silent
> Knight dialers, sold at ADI.
I am a bit confused. Is there a regular elitist and then one notch down to
fucking elitist? I could be either I guess. Is it important to know which
one I am? If not I'll just assume I am which ever is worse in your eyes. We
are a Bosch BCSD so what would be unusual about using Bosch gear? That kind
of means by definition I deal mainly with Bosch crap. There is a lot of
Bosch crap sold at ADI too. All of the former DS line of motions. DiBos,
Divar etc. and nearly all the video line. Access Easy is there too. Are you
an elitist if you use Bosch from ADI or just if you're a BCSD. We do both
actually so guilty both ways there too.
I have only used a little of the SK gear in my time. I don't like fire and
SK gave up on burg long ago (except for a proprietary panel that they built
for the likes of Smith Alarm.) SK seems okay from what little I have used. I
like the Bosch 7024 better because of the upload/download ability and the
price. The regular Bosch D2071 and D9068 DACT aren't that hot in my opinion.
I think we have even yanked a few and put in other dialers when the spec
allowed.
>
> Your attitude about dealers who don't install anything except Bosch,
> or DMP is wearing thin... similarly to your choices for video.. You
> think your way is the only way -- and the rest are somehow inferior
> for not adopting an all IP solution from Axis, Bosch, IqEnvison..
> etc.. Get fucked. Your elitist attitude is not well received.
>
I install Bosch. I have only worked on DMP and removed lots of it. We aren't
DMP dealers. You'll have to get another elitist named Petem for the real up
to date DMP scoop. I think another regular poster is on repair status with
DMP so is a repair status DMP dealer an elitist too?. I know one of the ADI
tech support guys used to be the DMP tech rep. Can he be redeemed now that
he is at ADI or is it once a DMP elitist, always an elitist? I think the
industry is in a transition now and IP based solutions are going to be more
common in the future. True, I mention Axis but I never use it however. I
have never used Iqenvision or even seen it. I do use BVIP video. It is a bit
harder to get to sell that even if you're a BCSD. Not using Bosch or DMP
doesn't make one a trunk slammer in my view. There is nothing special about
being a dealer for either really. It is merely a function of dollar volume
purchases to get and maintain your status. Bosch or DMP couldn't care less
if you think of yourself as an elitist or not. They just want the money. If
you don't sell you get the boot, period. Being a trunk slammer in my view is
a function of attitude, not the product line you happen to sell or not sell.
I think it is important to know the products you do sell and why you
continue to sell it over some similar product. Do you care about your
craft? Do you try to keep up to date with the technology? What helps make a
trunk slammer in my view? A guy that's worked a decade in the business and
doesn't know how to measure a ground, or inductance; or one that can't tell
a resistor from a choke, or can't hook up a loop with two resistors and make
it work other than by trial and error. A trunk slammer knows how to call the
office to find the number for factory tech support. He won't keep
installation manuals, and he'll make the same errors again and again, even
when repeating the same task. I see that kind of guy nearly every time I
walk into ADI, SGI, Tri-ed, or Richardson's. Moving to IP video will only
magnify the problems a trunk slammer faces. Guys will have to know the
difference between a token ring and a sonet ring at one end and a MAC
address from and IP address at the other. IP video lends itself to larger
installations which we do a lot of. That means you get lots of experience on
certain aspects of the industry doing a lot of the same sorts of things. I
don't think that makes us elitists, but you might. I just like to think
about what I do in this industry, and think how I can do it better. If that
makes me an elitist that you think is not well received here so be it. Trust
me, I can easily live with it from a guy that signs his name as trunk
slammer, even in jest.
>
Yours Truly,
Trunk Slammer

Is that like that old bumper sticker "Oil field trash and proud of it"? I am
moved.

>



Posted by Crash Gordon on March 31, 2007, 10:07 am
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Sheesh..dunno what freekin catagory I'd fit into...Radx, DMP AND Ademco...an
elite trunkslammer I guess??
I gotta go make an appointment for therapy now.
At least I don't do Napco.



|
|
| > Roland Moore wrote:
| >
| >>Since it is Honeywell I am surprised they don't try to sell it at ADI.
| >>
| >
| > Maybe they didn't take you to the show for a reason.
| Yes, I have all the social grqaces but I am not house broken.
|
| >You just have a problem with ADI and their customers, don't you?
| I don't have a problem with ADI. They send customers our way when they get
| special calls from end users. I thank them properly. Some guys at ADI used
| to work for me many moons ago. I know them all at the local branch. As for
| ADI customers (other dealers) I talk to them politely too when they call
me
| for help.
|
| >
| > I have always had the impression you're a fucking elitist because you
| > deal mainly with Bosch crap. I've always used bulletproof Silent
| > Knight dialers, sold at ADI.
| I am a bit confused. Is there a regular elitist and then one notch down to
| fucking elitist? I could be either I guess. Is it important to know which
| one I am? If not I'll just assume I am which ever is worse in your eyes.
We
| are a Bosch BCSD so what would be unusual about using Bosch gear? That
kind
| of means by definition I deal mainly with Bosch crap. There is a lot of
| Bosch crap sold at ADI too. All of the former DS line of motions. DiBos,
| Divar etc. and nearly all the video line. Access Easy is there too. Are
you
| an elitist if you use Bosch from ADI or just if you're a BCSD. We do both
| actually so guilty both ways there too.
| I have only used a little of the SK gear in my time. I don't like fire and
| SK gave up on burg long ago (except for a proprietary panel that they
built
| for the likes of Smith Alarm.) SK seems okay from what little I have used.
I
| like the Bosch 7024 better because of the upload/download ability and the
| price. The regular Bosch D2071 and D9068 DACT aren't that hot in my
opinion.
| I think we have even yanked a few and put in other dialers when the spec
| allowed.
| >
| > Your attitude about dealers who don't install anything except Bosch,
| > or DMP is wearing thin... similarly to your choices for video.. You
| > think your way is the only way -- and the rest are somehow inferior
| > for not adopting an all IP solution from Axis, Bosch, IqEnvison..
| > etc.. Get fucked. Your elitist attitude is not well received.
| >
| I install Bosch. I have only worked on DMP and removed lots of it. We
aren't
| DMP dealers. You'll have to get another elitist named Petem for the real
up
| to date DMP scoop. I think another regular poster is on repair status with
| DMP so is a repair status DMP dealer an elitist too?. I know one of the
ADI
| tech support guys used to be the DMP tech rep. Can he be redeemed now that
| he is at ADI or is it once a DMP elitist, always an elitist? I think the
| industry is in a transition now and IP based solutions are going to be
more
| common in the future. True, I mention Axis but I never use it however. I
| have never used Iqenvision or even seen it. I do use BVIP video. It is a
bit
| harder to get to sell that even if you're a BCSD. Not using Bosch or DMP
| doesn't make one a trunk slammer in my view. There is nothing special
about
| being a dealer for either really. It is merely a function of dollar volume
| purchases to get and maintain your status. Bosch or DMP couldn't care less
| if you think of yourself as an elitist or not. They just want the money.
If
| you don't sell you get the boot, period. Being a trunk slammer in my view
is
| a function of attitude, not the product line you happen to sell or not
sell.
| I think it is important to know the products you do sell and why you
| continue to sell it over some similar product. Do you care about your
| craft? Do you try to keep up to date with the technology? What helps make
a
| trunk slammer in my view? A guy that's worked a decade in the business and
| doesn't know how to measure a ground, or inductance; or one that can't
tell
| a resistor from a choke, or can't hook up a loop with two resistors and
make
| it work other than by trial and error. A trunk slammer knows how to call
the
| office to find the number for factory tech support. He won't keep
| installation manuals, and he'll make the same errors again and again, even
| when repeating the same task. I see that kind of guy nearly every time I
| walk into ADI, SGI, Tri-ed, or Richardson's. Moving to IP video will only
| magnify the problems a trunk slammer faces. Guys will have to know the
| difference between a token ring and a sonet ring at one end and a MAC
| address from and IP address at the other. IP video lends itself to larger
| installations which we do a lot of. That means you get lots of experience
on
| certain aspects of the industry doing a lot of the same sorts of things. I
| don't think that makes us elitists, but you might. I just like to think
| about what I do in this industry, and think how I can do it better. If
that
| makes me an elitist that you think is not well received here so be it.
Trust
| me, I can easily live with it from a guy that signs his name as trunk
| slammer, even in jest.
| >
| Yours Truly,
| Trunk Slammer
|
| Is that like that old bumper sticker "Oil field trash and proud of it"? I
am
| moved.
|
| >
|
|



Posted by Roland Moore on March 31, 2007, 12:43 pm
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> I gotta go make an appointment for therapy now.

Make one for me too please. I was just told Elite Trunk Slammer won't fit on
my business card. I can't stand to be one upped by anyone.


> Sheesh..dunno what freekin catagory I'd fit into...Radx, DMP AND
> Ademco...an
> elite trunkslammer I guess??
> I gotta go make an appointment for therapy now.
> At least I don't do Napco.
>
>
>
> |
> |
> | > Roland Moore wrote:
> | >
> | >>Since it is Honeywell I am surprised they don't try to sell it at ADI.
> | >>
> | >
> | > Maybe they didn't take you to the show for a reason.
> | Yes, I have all the social grqaces but I am not house broken.
> |
> | >You just have a problem with ADI and their customers, don't you?
> | I don't have a problem with ADI. They send customers our way when they
> get
> | special calls from end users. I thank them properly. Some guys at ADI
> used
> | to work for me many moons ago. I know them all at the local branch. As
> for
> | ADI customers (other dealers) I talk to them politely too when they call
> me
> | for help.
> |
> | >
> | > I have always had the impression you're a fucking elitist because you
> | > deal mainly with Bosch crap. I've always used bulletproof Silent
> | > Knight dialers, sold at ADI.
> | I am a bit confused. Is there a regular elitist and then one notch down
> to
> | fucking elitist? I could be either I guess. Is it important to know
> which
> | one I am? If not I'll just assume I am which ever is worse in your eyes.
> We
> | are a Bosch BCSD so what would be unusual about using Bosch gear? That
> kind
> | of means by definition I deal mainly with Bosch crap. There is a lot of
> | Bosch crap sold at ADI too. All of the former DS line of motions. DiBos,
> | Divar etc. and nearly all the video line. Access Easy is there too. Are
> you
> | an elitist if you use Bosch from ADI or just if you're a BCSD. We do
> both
> | actually so guilty both ways there too.
> | I have only used a little of the SK gear in my time. I don't like fire
> and
> | SK gave up on burg long ago (except for a proprietary panel that they
> built
> | for the likes of Smith Alarm.) SK seems okay from what little I have
> used.
> I
> | like the Bosch 7024 better because of the upload/download ability and
> the
> | price. The regular Bosch D2071 and D9068 DACT aren't that hot in my
> opinion.
> | I think we have even yanked a few and put in other dialers when the spec
> | allowed.
> | >
> | > Your attitude about dealers who don't install anything except Bosch,
> | > or DMP is wearing thin... similarly to your choices for video.. You
> | > think your way is the only way -- and the rest are somehow inferior
> | > for not adopting an all IP solution from Axis, Bosch, IqEnvison..
> | > etc.. Get fucked. Your elitist attitude is not well received.
> | >
> | I install Bosch. I have only worked on DMP and removed lots of it. We
> aren't
> | DMP dealers. You'll have to get another elitist named Petem for the real
> up
> | to date DMP scoop. I think another regular poster is on repair status
> with
> | DMP so is a repair status DMP dealer an elitist too?. I know one of the
> ADI
> | tech support guys used to be the DMP tech rep. Can he be redeemed now
> that
> | he is at ADI or is it once a DMP elitist, always an elitist? I think the
> | industry is in a transition now and IP based solutions are going to be
> more
> | common in the future. True, I mention Axis but I never use it however. I
> | have never used Iqenvision or even seen it. I do use BVIP video. It is a
> bit
> | harder to get to sell that even if you're a BCSD. Not using Bosch or DMP
> | doesn't make one a trunk slammer in my view. There is nothing special
> about
> | being a dealer for either really. It is merely a function of dollar
> volume
> | purchases to get and maintain your status. Bosch or DMP couldn't care
> less
> | if you think of yourself as an elitist or not. They just want the money.
> If
> | you don't sell you get the boot, period. Being a trunk slammer in my
> view
> is
> | a function of attitude, not the product line you happen to sell or not
> sell.
> | I think it is important to know the products you do sell and why you
> | continue to sell it over some similar product. Do you care about your
> | craft? Do you try to keep up to date with the technology? What helps
> make
> a
> | trunk slammer in my view? A guy that's worked a decade in the business
> and
> | doesn't know how to measure a ground, or inductance; or one that can't
> tell
> | a resistor from a choke, or can't hook up a loop with two resistors and
> make
> | it work other than by trial and error. A trunk slammer knows how to call
> the
> | office to find the number for factory tech support. He won't keep
> | installation manuals, and he'll make the same errors again and again,
> even
> | when repeating the same task. I see that kind of guy nearly every time I
> | walk into ADI, SGI, Tri-ed, or Richardson's. Moving to IP video will
> only
> | magnify the problems a trunk slammer faces. Guys will have to know the
> | difference between a token ring and a sonet ring at one end and a MAC
> | address from and IP address at the other. IP video lends itself to
> larger
> | installations which we do a lot of. That means you get lots of
> experience
> on
> | certain aspects of the industry doing a lot of the same sorts of things.
> I
> | don't think that makes us elitists, but you might. I just like to think
> | about what I do in this industry, and think how I can do it better. If
> that
> | makes me an elitist that you think is not well received here so be it.
> Trust
> | me, I can easily live with it from a guy that signs his name as trunk
> | slammer, even in jest.
> | >
> | Yours Truly,
> | Trunk Slammer
> |
> | Is that like that old bumper sticker "Oil field trash and proud of it"?
> I
> am
> | moved.
> |
> | >
> |
> |
>
>



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