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110 VAC Fire Alarms Matthew Stanley 12-06-2007
Posted by Matthew Stanley on December 6, 2007, 8:24 pm
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I was called to a potintial customer today. They needed their fire alarm
system tested. When I arrived, I found that it was 4 pull stations wired to
4 4" edwards 110VAC adaptabells.


The owner told me that they never needed it inspected before but now the
fire marshal was needing something showing it works. What do you guys do if
you run into this situation.

I have only seen this setup once and the fire marshal forced them to replace
the system since it was not supervised and it had no back up power.


Thanks for all replies......


M



Posted by Robert L Bass on December 7, 2007, 9:35 am
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"Matthew Stanley" wrote:
>
> I was called to a potintial customer today. They needed their fire
> alarm system tested. When I arrived, I found that it was 4 pull
> stations wired to 4 4" edwards 110VAC adaptabells.
>
> The owner told me that they never needed it inspected before but
> now the fire marshal was needing something showing it works. What
> do you guys do if you run into this situation?

Remove the 110V audibles and wire the pulls to a conventional FACP
with 24VDC horn strobes and backup batteries.

Interestingly, we recently sold a commercial fire alarm system to the
father of a 9-year old boy. He explained that his son doesn't enjoy
typical children's toys. For several years the child has been wiring
up alarm systems -- not installing them, just experimenting with
them. His dad explained that he enjoys figuring out the manuals and
making the things work. I thought the good folks here who install
"professionally" would like knowing that a 9-year old boy understands
the manuals well enough to connect and program a commercial fire
alarm system. Maybe next year I'll offer the kid a summer job doing
tech support. :^)

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

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4883 Fallcrest Circle
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http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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Posted by Jim Rojas on December 7, 2007, 9:53 am
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It's just not that simple anymore. Once you update the system, you must
comply with all the ever changing NFPA rules and local ordinances. This
usually ends up being a very expensive upgrade for the most part.

Jim Rojas




Robert L Bass wrote:
> "Matthew Stanley" wrote:
>>
>> I was called to a potintial customer today. They needed their fire
>> alarm system tested. When I arrived, I found that it was 4 pull
>> stations wired to 4 4" edwards 110VAC adaptabells.
>>
>> The owner told me that they never needed it inspected before but now
>> the fire marshal was needing something showing it works. What do you
>> guys do if you run into this situation?
>
> Remove the 110V audibles and wire the pulls to a conventional FACP with
> 24VDC horn strobes and backup batteries.
>
> Interestingly, we recently sold a commercial fire alarm system to the
> father of a 9-year old boy. He explained that his son doesn't enjoy
> typical children's toys. For several years the child has been wiring up
> alarm systems -- not installing them, just experimenting with them. His
> dad explained that he enjoys figuring out the manuals and making the
> things work. I thought the good folks here who install "professionally"
> would like knowing that a 9-year old boy understands the manuals well
> enough to connect and program a commercial fire alarm system. Maybe
> next year I'll offer the kid a summer job doing tech support. :^)
>

Posted by Doug on December 7, 2007, 10:09 am
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I'm not sure you can afford to wait until summer, offer the kid a job now
and put him in pre-sales before you offer any more bad advice on fire alarm
systems.


Doug

--


> Remove the 110V audibles and wire the pulls to a conventional FACP with
> 24VDC horn strobes and backup batteries.
>
> Interestingly, we recently sold a commercial fire alarm system to the
> father of a 9-year old boy. He explained that his son doesn't enjoy
> typical children's toys. For several years the child has been wiring up
> alarm systems -- not installing them, just experimenting with them. His
> dad explained that he enjoys figuring out the manuals and making the
> things work. I thought the good folks here who install "professionally"
> would like knowing that a 9-year old boy understands the manuals well
> enough to connect and program a commercial fire alarm system. Maybe next
> year I'll offer the kid a summer job doing tech support. :^)
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
> ==============================>
> http://www.bassburgIaraIarms.com
> ==============================>
>
>



Posted by Nick Markowitz Jr. on December 7, 2007, 12:48 pm
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Make sure to note in your report the system is AC Only
so to protect yourself if it should fail

I hit just this siuation last month and ahj was unaware it was an ac only
smoke system he has given owner 120 days to replace with a modern system as
the ac system at time it was installed was not to Pa codes at the time so
there was no grandfathering.

> I'm not sure you can afford to wait until summer, offer the kid a job now
> and put him in pre-sales before you offer any more bad advice on fire
> alarm systems.
>
>
> Doug
>
> --
>
>
>> Remove the 110V audibles and wire the pulls to a conventional FACP with
>> 24VDC horn strobes and backup batteries.
>>
>> Interestingly, we recently sold a commercial fire alarm system to the
>> father of a 9-year old boy. He explained that his son doesn't enjoy
>> typical children's toys. For several years the child has been wiring up
>> alarm systems -- not installing them, just experimenting with them. His
>> dad explained that he enjoys figuring out the manuals and making the
>> things work. I thought the good folks here who install "professionally"
>> would like knowing that a 9-year old boy understands the manuals well
>> enough to connect and program a commercial fire alarm system. Maybe next
>> year I'll offer the kid a summer job doing tech support. :^)
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>> Robert L Bass
>>
>> ==============================>
>> http://www.bassburgIaraIarms.com
>> ==============================>
>>
>>
>
>



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