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Re: Automatic updates ~BD~ 11-05-2008
Posted by ~BD~ on November 5, 2008, 7:29 am
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> And one thing more its not even a malware issue, its clearly a windows
> update issue and this sort of automated advisory you have came charging
> along the way, In a way you're trickling down to those who are in dire
> need of assistance a wrong perception about the Microsoft Community site.
>
> Seriously please reevaluate where you put such posting many thanks.


Good post, Milo! :)

Are you able to explain why most of the 'helpers' categorically state that
Hijackthis logs should not be posted here in the Microsoft groups?

Similarly, GMER logs too I suspect (not sure about that!)

Dave



Posted by Milo on November 5, 2008, 7:45 am
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That I cant answer for you, but its possible that someone or anyone may try
to read the hijackthis log with not much of experience from it and cause
further damage than help with the customers/those in need, maybe
categorizing who can evaluate it in this community site can make a
difference.



>
>> And one thing more its not even a malware issue, its clearly a windows
>> update issue and this sort of automated advisory you have came charging
>> along the way, In a way you're trickling down to those who are in dire
>> need of assistance a wrong perception about the Microsoft Community site.
>>
>> Seriously please reevaluate where you put such posting many thanks.
>
>
> Good post, Milo! :)
>
> Are you able to explain why most of the 'helpers' categorically state that
> Hijackthis logs should not be posted here in the Microsoft groups?
>
> Similarly, GMER logs too I suspect (not sure about that!)
>
> Dave
>

Posted by Alun Jones on November 5, 2008, 10:21 am
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> That I cant answer for you, but its possible that someone or anyone may
> try to read the hijackthis log with not much of experience from it and
> cause further damage than help with the customers/those in need, maybe
> categorizing who can evaluate it in this community site can make a
> difference.

I can think of several reasons.
1. This is a 'non-binary' newsgroup - as such, posting attachments of any
kind is frowned upon.
2. Newsgroups are a broadcast medium - as such, they function best when
postings seek to ask and answer questions that affect more than a single
individual at a time. Otherwise, you cause thousands of readers to read, or
ignore, your posts, for the benefit of the one individual whose machine is
infected. [Obviously, once you find the infection, sharing information here
on how to detect it, and how to remove it, are very much appreciated]
3. It makes it very difficult to use Google Groups search to find useful
information if all you get back are HijackThis logs.

Doubtless there are other reasons from other posters.

Alun.
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Posted by Leythos on November 5, 2008, 8:21 pm
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not@real.atall says...
> 3. HJT logs do not clog up search engines, that was an excuse somebody made
> years ago because they did not have the expertise to read and understand HJT
> logs. Forums are indexed and crawled by search engines just like this NS is.
> It is actually better to use these NG's because the search results are not
> full of spam.
>

Many websites act as fronts to Usenet, some are duplicates of Usenet
groups. Search engines DO archive those sites and do record info from HJ
Logs posted to Usenet.

You can see this by typing in headers from HJ Logs and searching -
thousands of hits.

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Posted by Kayman on November 6, 2008, 4:39 pm
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On Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:53:15 -0800, The Real Truth MVP wrote:

> 1. HJT logs are text not binary. I have seen maybe 1 or 2 people over the
> years who actually posted the log as an attachment.

Yes.

> 2. What difference does it make if it is read or ignored. nobody is forced
> to read it.

True. The problem is that every Tom, Dick and Harry will respond...

> 3. HJT logs do not clog up search engines...

True.

> ...that was an excuse somebody made years ago because they did not have
> the expertise to read and understand HJT logs...

Presumptions!

> Forums are indexed and crawled by search engines just like this NS is.
> It is actually better to use these NG's because the search results are not
> full of spam.

Fora specialized in analysing HJT logs are unquestionably a safer bet
receiving advice!

> 4, There is not personal information in HJT logs so that was a flat out lie

Now that is funny! PCBUTTS1 is talking about lies :-)

> given by "Ro Bear" besides the forums show up in searches.

It's more like a wrong construction on words.

> 5. The same experts that visit those forums also visit these NG's moreover
> more exposure is in these groups so more can learn from these groups and
> they are free without having to register then wait 2 days for an answer.

NG's aren't moderated; anybody can post here claiming to be an expert,
progam author/developer or whatever!

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