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Preferred RootKit detection/removal tool?
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Preferred RootKit detection/removal tool?

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Preferred RootKit detection/removal tool? Spin 08-16-2008
Posted by =?Utf-8?B?RGFu?= on August 19, 2008, 9:57 am
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Thank you. For instance, a DOD wipe is done before a clean installation for
better safety and security. I would imagine, the only true safety on a drive
is to perform this and then totally annihilate the hard drive if it contains
classified and/or sensitive information.

"FromTheRafters" wrote:

> Wipe is "cleaner" than format, and reload is dependent on
> exactly what is reloaded.
>
> > Steve and Robear, I was wondering if that was as clean as a format and
> > clean
> > install or is my wording just different and means the same thing. <?>
> >
> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >
> >> 9 times out of 10, we end up ripping them out by the roots...or doing a
> >> "wipe & reload."
> >> --
> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> >>
> >> Spin wrote:
> >> > I know Symantec offers RootKit detection tools, as does Panda Security,
> >> > F-Secure, to name a few. However, this is addressed to those of you in
> >> > this
> >> > newsgroup, which of those do you prefer to use "out in the field"?
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Posted by Steve Riley [MSFT] on August 19, 2008, 3:53 pm
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A simple format and reinstall is sufficient to have a fresh clean copy of
the OS without malware.

Multi-pass wipes aren't necessary unless you want to ensure there's nothing
remaining when you sell or give away the drive.

--
Steve Riley
steve.riley@microsoft.com
http://blogs.technet.com/steriley
http://www.protectyourwindowsnetwork.com



> Thank you. For instance, a DOD wipe is done before a clean installation
> for
> better safety and security. I would imagine, the only true safety on a
> drive
> is to perform this and then totally annihilate the hard drive if it
> contains
> classified and/or sensitive information.
>
> "FromTheRafters" wrote:
>
>> Wipe is "cleaner" than format, and reload is dependent on
>> exactly what is reloaded.
>>
>> > Steve and Robear, I was wondering if that was as clean as a format and
>> > clean
>> > install or is my wording just different and means the same thing. <?>
>> >
>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> 9 times out of 10, we end up ripping them out by the roots...or doing
>> >> a
>> >> "wipe & reload."
>> >> --
>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>> >>
>> >> Spin wrote:
>> >> > I know Symantec offers RootKit detection tools, as does Panda
>> >> > Security,
>> >> > F-Secure, to name a few. However, this is addressed to those of you
>> >> > in
>> >> > this
>> >> > newsgroup, which of those do you prefer to use "out in the field"?
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

Posted by =?Utf-8?B?RGFu?= on August 19, 2008, 5:10 pm
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Thanks for the reply, Steve.

"Steve Riley [MSFT]" wrote:

> A simple format and reinstall is sufficient to have a fresh clean copy of
> the OS without malware.
>
> Multi-pass wipes aren't necessary unless you want to ensure there's nothing
> remaining when you sell or give away the drive.
>
> --
> Steve Riley
> steve.riley@microsoft.com
> http://blogs.technet.com/steriley
> http://www.protectyourwindowsnetwork.com
>
>
>
> > Thank you. For instance, a DOD wipe is done before a clean installation
> > for
> > better safety and security. I would imagine, the only true safety on a
> > drive
> > is to perform this and then totally annihilate the hard drive if it
> > contains
> > classified and/or sensitive information.
> >
> > "FromTheRafters" wrote:
> >
> >> Wipe is "cleaner" than format, and reload is dependent on
> >> exactly what is reloaded.
> >>
> >> > Steve and Robear, I was wondering if that was as clean as a format and
> >> > clean
> >> > install or is my wording just different and means the same thing. <?>
> >> >
> >> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> 9 times out of 10, we end up ripping them out by the roots...or doing
> >> >> a
> >> >> "wipe & reload."
> >> >> --
> >> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
> >> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
> >> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
> >> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
> >> >>
> >> >> Spin wrote:
> >> >> > I know Symantec offers RootKit detection tools, as does Panda
> >> >> > Security,
> >> >> > F-Secure, to name a few. However, this is addressed to those of you
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > this
> >> >> > newsgroup, which of those do you prefer to use "out in the field"?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>

Posted by FromTheRafters on August 19, 2008, 9:26 pm
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If your OS has been severely compromised, you don't want to
use the copy of format.com that is on that machine to do the
format. In the old days, the "rootkit" was a collection of utilities
and tools that were modified from their original to something
perhaps nefarious. If someone had root access they could
replace the formatting tool with one that only appears to format
the drive. As long as the act of formatting and reinstalling touches
the boot axis areas of the disk then any trace of malware should
be overwritten or no longer linked to.

There is some malware (I forget the name(s)) that affect the boot
areas of the disk, and IIRC simple format won't affect that area.
You probably are just left with an unbootable drive unless the
area is repaired.

>A simple format and reinstall is sufficient to have a fresh clean copy of
>the OS without malware.
>
> Multi-pass wipes aren't necessary unless you want to ensure there's
> nothing remaining when you sell or give away the drive.
>
> --
> Steve Riley
> steve.riley@microsoft.com
> http://blogs.technet.com/steriley
> http://www.protectyourwindowsnetwork.com
>
>
>
>> Thank you. For instance, a DOD wipe is done before a clean installation
>> for
>> better safety and security. I would imagine, the only true safety on a
>> drive
>> is to perform this and then totally annihilate the hard drive if it
>> contains
>> classified and/or sensitive information.
>>
>> "FromTheRafters" wrote:
>>
>>> Wipe is "cleaner" than format, and reload is dependent on
>>> exactly what is reloaded.
>>>
>>> > Steve and Robear, I was wondering if that was as clean as a format and
>>> > clean
>>> > install or is my wording just different and means the same thing. <?>
>>> >
>>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> 9 times out of 10, we end up ripping them out by the roots...or doing
>>> >> a
>>> >> "wipe & reload."
>>> >> --
>>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>> >>
>>> >> Spin wrote:
>>> >> > I know Symantec offers RootKit detection tools, as does Panda
>>> >> > Security,
>>> >> > F-Secure, to name a few. However, this is addressed to those of
>>> >> > you in
>>> >> > this
>>> >> > newsgroup, which of those do you prefer to use "out in the field"?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>>>



Posted by Richard Urban on August 20, 2008, 4:44 am
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I believe that if you delete all the partitions from the drive, apply the
changes and then create a new partition - a new MBR is created. A boot
sector virus should not survive this action.

I seem to remember that I did just that about 8 years ago to remove a boot
sector virus from a friends computer.

But then, it was 8 years ago! (-:

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


> If your OS has been severely compromised, you don't want to
> use the copy of format.com that is on that machine to do the
> format. In the old days, the "rootkit" was a collection of utilities
> and tools that were modified from their original to something
> perhaps nefarious. If someone had root access they could
> replace the formatting tool with one that only appears to format
> the drive. As long as the act of formatting and reinstalling touches
> the boot axis areas of the disk then any trace of malware should
> be overwritten or no longer linked to.
>
> There is some malware (I forget the name(s)) that affect the boot
> areas of the disk, and IIRC simple format won't affect that area.
> You probably are just left with an unbootable drive unless the
> area is repaired.
>
>>A simple format and reinstall is sufficient to have a fresh clean copy of
>>the OS without malware.
>>
>> Multi-pass wipes aren't necessary unless you want to ensure there's
>> nothing remaining when you sell or give away the drive.
>>
>> --
>> Steve Riley
>> steve.riley@microsoft.com
>> http://blogs.technet.com/steriley
>> http://www.protectyourwindowsnetwork.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> Thank you. For instance, a DOD wipe is done before a clean installation
>>> for
>>> better safety and security. I would imagine, the only true safety on a
>>> drive
>>> is to perform this and then totally annihilate the hard drive if it
>>> contains
>>> classified and/or sensitive information.
>>>
>>> "FromTheRafters" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wipe is "cleaner" than format, and reload is dependent on
>>>> exactly what is reloaded.
>>>>
>>>> > Steve and Robear, I was wondering if that was as clean as a format
>>>> > and
>>>> > clean
>>>> > install or is my wording just different and means the same thing.
>>>> > <?>
>>>> >
>>>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> 9 times out of 10, we end up ripping them out by the roots...or
>>>> >> doing a
>>>> >> "wipe & reload."
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
>>>> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002
>>>> >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net
>>>> >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Spin wrote:
>>>> >> > I know Symantec offers RootKit detection tools, as does Panda
>>>> >> > Security,
>>>> >> > F-Secure, to name a few. However, this is addressed to those of
>>>> >> > you in
>>>> >> > this
>>>> >> > newsgroup, which of those do you prefer to use "out in the field"?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>


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