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permanent solution to viruses Martha 07-10-2006
Posted by Martha on July 10, 2006, 6:26 am
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Did you ever wonder....do antivirus companies genuinely hope that
hackers will have a change of heart and stop trying to infect other
people's computers? That's obviously not the case. For the antivirus
companies, such as Norton, a reduction in number of hackers/viruses
would cause their business to fail. Norton, like law-enforcement,
THRIVE BECAUSE of the bad things that people do.

This in and of itself is not a bad thing. But now I'm gonna show you
my point.

If you found out that by sitting at your computer for a mere 5 minutes
a day, you could generate thousands of dollars in revenue for your
company each month, would you do it? Of course you would. What
business owner would take steps to make sure she MISSES OUT on this
money-making opportunity?

Well now... if companies like Norton thrive on the existece of hackers
(sort of like Satan, who is responsible for keeping the church in
business), then what exactly would prevent the stock-owners of that
company from hiring anonymous geeks to spread new viruses, thus
ensuring Norton will be continually needed in the future by ignorant
poeple who shore don't want any viruses?

Perhaps you are familier with CPS (Child Protective Services). Know
what happens if the reps they hire go too easy on the families accused
of crimes against children? They ensure that their local CPS office
will have progressively less and less work, and eventually ensure the
future loss of their job. How can they avoid this? By turning
mountains into molehills. If your child falsely accuses you of abusing
them, you can be sure CPS will justify their continued future
employment by dragging you through the courts, threatening to take away
your child if you don't conform, or threating not to give the child
back. Wow, ain't nothing like drumming up business for yourself which
guarantees your own employment security, amen?

This CPS thing is an analogy to the antivirus companies.

In short, the very idea that they truly wish all hacker would come to
know Jesus and stop this virus stuff immediately is ridiculous. It
doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that IF companies like
Norton secretly hire hacker to continually infest the internet with
ever-new viruses, they assure themselves a very prosperous future in
that business.

The analogies are endless. Suppose a cop gets a mean talk from his
Sergent for not fulfilling his monthly quota of arrests? Being in the
privileged position he is in, what could he do to make his boss very
happy? You guessed it, start arresting people more often when he
otherwise would let the issue die with just a warning. Speeding
tickets are so easy. If his boss says he ain't giving out the full
quota expected, he can just start pulling people over for doing 60 in a
50 mph zone, instead of waiting to zap the 70 mph speeder.

Hell, why not carry a little cocaine around in a plastic bag on the job
(whose gonna frisk a cop?), and the next time he's called to the scene
of a relatively calm situation, he can request to search the car, or
have it towed away then searched if they don't comply (guaranteeing the
driver will allow the search), and he can plant his cocaine on the guy,
and be the hero of the day back at the cop shop.

Think about it....that cop will lose his house and credit cards and
probably his family if we all started obeying the laws of the land like
paranoid monks.

It should now be as clear to you as the sun on a cloudless day at
noon....that antivirus companies can be fully expected to guarantee
humanity will need them in the future by spreading newer and newer
virus threats themselves.

Now that the sermon is over, you don't need antivirus software to stay
safe from the onslaught of online hackers.

All you need are two hard drives and one copy of Norton Ghost.

Use one hard drive for your operating system.

Use the other for storage only.

Run Norton Ghost and make a back up of your operating system before you
surf the internet.

Now surf all you please.

If your computer starts manifesting symptoms of spyware/virus
infection, such as slowing down, acting inconsistent...

simply run Norton Ghost and tell it to replace your current operating
system with the pristine back up copy.

Now you've surfed where you wanted, and it only took 5 minutes of Ghost
Restore to put your computer back in perfectly clean top running shape.

Now unless you only surf hacker/porn/illegal/cracks type websites, you
should be able to access your hotmail, yahoo, use google to search and
click on the search hits, for at least a month before you find it
necessary to run Ghost and restore your computer.

Personally, I have my computer set up to automatically run Ghost every
night after I go to bed. I am greeted in the morning by one beautiful
woman and one very clean and virus-free computer.

The only sacrifice you have to make is that whatever you download from
the internet or save from cd-rom, must be placed on the second hard
dive, where the Ghost back up files are. Cuz if you just download
stuff to your desktop, theywill all be wiped out with everything else
as soon as you run the ghost restore.

I haven't used virus protection for the last three years, and yet I
surf the internet sometimes up to 10 hours a day (I'm retired, I hope
you get something more out of this post than the mere shock that other
poeple have no kids and more time than you.

Here's a parting thought:

You realize that you have to download ANTI-virus definitions, so that
you antivirus software knows what to look for to disinfect your
computer, right?

Those antivirus definitions, though small, are nevertheless all
necessary to make sure your computer doesn't get infected by any of the
thousands of viruses that are out there now, and that have been around
since 1996.

Ever wonder how much space those definitions are gonna take up on your
hard drive after 10 years goes by? In the year 2016, you will all
probably need an extra 200 gig hard drive just to hold all the
anti-virus definitions that will be necessary to keep up with 10 years
of new viruses!

But don't worry...I'm sure Norton and Microsoft will figure out a way
to get you those extra hard drives real cheap. Ain't that just sweet
of them?

I never wait around to hear you say thanks. I KNOW you are thankful
that my parents met each other. Just look down whenever I walk by and
we won't have any mess, kapeesh?


Posted by Martha on July 10, 2006, 6:52 am
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I'm sure somebody will say that if they don't run antivirus software at
all, then in between the first ghost restore and the second, hackers
could be hacking in and reading their private stuff while they surf
the internet, and whatever malicious java code they used to do this
deed will obviously remain undetected on their computer until they next
run Norton Ghost Restore function.

The answer is two-part:

1 - What do you care if people snoop around in your private files?
Unless you live under a rock, you MUST know that high government
agencies, like the CIA, NSA, etc, snoop around in your private stuff
and your email accounts anyway. Remember our stupid fucking president,
George Bush, and his bullshit homeland security act? What ever
snooping they were doing before he got in office, they probably do it
100 times as much now. You might hate the way I write this stuff, but
at least we are agreed that PBush is the type of guy who actually
thinks "issues of national secuity" can be used as a Carte Blache to do
any amount of snooping he pleases, while giving the finger to the
courts, who are supposed to grant a warrant based on good probable
cause, before such snooping is to be done.

2 - If you think you can't surf for two minutes without antivirus
protection, without some hacker noticing you and taking full advantage,
then your confidence in antivirus software is misplaced. You see, if
your own beliefs about antivirus software are true, then it can only
hunt down and kill what it knows to look for. Unfortunately for you,
hackers create viruses much faster than Norton can keep up (IF it be
true that they don't write the malicious code themselves to assure
their future business longevity).

As such, if you surf the net for even 5 minutes immediately after
getting the latest protection from Norton, it is not at all impossible
for a thousand unknown hackers to have created new unknown viruses and
for them to have then made it back to your computer.

If you set up Ghost to wipe out your operating system every night, and
replace it with a fresh new ghosted copy, hacker will never be given
more than a single day to plant spyware or viruses on your computer.

If you try my idea and you like it, then do a little "head dive".....I
mean....restore your computer with ghost, then go surf every last
"cracks/hackers/porn" site you can find, and click as many of their
links as possible, and smile as your computer comes down with a
scorching case of binary herpes complex 101.

J U S T R U N G H O S T & E V E R Y T H I N G W I L L B E
A L R I G H T.

Uh...thus far you should know the simple measure needed in order to
guard against a virus wiping out your second hard drive, on which is
all your precious saved files and the Ghost Restore copies. It's
calling "getting into the habit of saving new downloads to cd at least
once every other day, because we all know that hard drives don't
exactly announce to the world when they plan on crashing..." right?


Hey, get your head off my shoulder...we ain't that close.


Posted by Mark Randall on July 10, 2006, 7:13 am
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> Did you ever wonder....do antivirus companies genuinely hope that
> hackers will have a change of heart and stop trying to infect other
> people's computers? That's obviously not the case. For the antivirus
> companies, such as Norton, a reduction in number of hackers/viruses
> would cause their business to fail. Norton, like law-enforcement,
> THRIVE BECAUSE of the bad things that people do.

I really cant be arsed to read all that.

What I will say though, if you want to be void of all viruses, turn your
computer off.

Its a harsh virtual world out there.

--
- Mark Randall
http://www.temporal-solutions.co.uk

"We're Systems and Networks..."
"It's our job to know..."



Posted by Scherbina Vladimir on July 10, 2006, 7:32 am
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Martha, don't warry. Norton and other compnies don't need to "simulate"
their own business.

There're a lot of people in the world who makes malware for free and those
who recieved money for that. So I don't think AV will have nothing to do at
all. People always will be writing malware - there're two main reasons:

- improvment of own skills
- malware gives money

--
Vladimir

> Did you ever wonder....do antivirus companies genuinely hope that
> hackers will have a change of heart and stop trying to infect other
> people's computers? That's obviously not the case. For the antivirus
> companies, such as Norton, a reduction in number of hackers/viruses
> would cause their business to fail. Norton, like law-enforcement,
> THRIVE BECAUSE of the bad things that people do.
>
> This in and of itself is not a bad thing. But now I'm gonna show you
> my point.
>
> If you found out that by sitting at your computer for a mere 5 minutes
> a day, you could generate thousands of dollars in revenue for your
> company each month, would you do it? Of course you would. What
> business owner would take steps to make sure she MISSES OUT on this
> money-making opportunity?
>
> Well now... if companies like Norton thrive on the existece of hackers
> (sort of like Satan, who is responsible for keeping the church in
> business), then what exactly would prevent the stock-owners of that
> company from hiring anonymous geeks to spread new viruses, thus
> ensuring Norton will be continually needed in the future by ignorant
> poeple who shore don't want any viruses?
>
> Perhaps you are familier with CPS (Child Protective Services). Know
> what happens if the reps they hire go too easy on the families accused
> of crimes against children? They ensure that their local CPS office
> will have progressively less and less work, and eventually ensure the
> future loss of their job. How can they avoid this? By turning
> mountains into molehills. If your child falsely accuses you of abusing
> them, you can be sure CPS will justify their continued future
> employment by dragging you through the courts, threatening to take away
> your child if you don't conform, or threating not to give the child
> back. Wow, ain't nothing like drumming up business for yourself which
> guarantees your own employment security, amen?
>
> This CPS thing is an analogy to the antivirus companies.
>
> In short, the very idea that they truly wish all hacker would come to
> know Jesus and stop this virus stuff immediately is ridiculous. It
> doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that IF companies like
> Norton secretly hire hacker to continually infest the internet with
> ever-new viruses, they assure themselves a very prosperous future in
> that business.
>
> The analogies are endless. Suppose a cop gets a mean talk from his
> Sergent for not fulfilling his monthly quota of arrests? Being in the
> privileged position he is in, what could he do to make his boss very
> happy? You guessed it, start arresting people more often when he
> otherwise would let the issue die with just a warning. Speeding
> tickets are so easy. If his boss says he ain't giving out the full
> quota expected, he can just start pulling people over for doing 60 in a
> 50 mph zone, instead of waiting to zap the 70 mph speeder.
>
> Hell, why not carry a little cocaine around in a plastic bag on the job
> (whose gonna frisk a cop?), and the next time he's called to the scene
> of a relatively calm situation, he can request to search the car, or
> have it towed away then searched if they don't comply (guaranteeing the
> driver will allow the search), and he can plant his cocaine on the guy,
> and be the hero of the day back at the cop shop.
>
> Think about it....that cop will lose his house and credit cards and
> probably his family if we all started obeying the laws of the land like
> paranoid monks.
>
> It should now be as clear to you as the sun on a cloudless day at
> noon....that antivirus companies can be fully expected to guarantee
> humanity will need them in the future by spreading newer and newer
> virus threats themselves.
>
> Now that the sermon is over, you don't need antivirus software to stay
> safe from the onslaught of online hackers.
>
> All you need are two hard drives and one copy of Norton Ghost.
>
> Use one hard drive for your operating system.
>
> Use the other for storage only.
>
> Run Norton Ghost and make a back up of your operating system before you
> surf the internet.
>
> Now surf all you please.
>
> If your computer starts manifesting symptoms of spyware/virus
> infection, such as slowing down, acting inconsistent...
>
> simply run Norton Ghost and tell it to replace your current operating
> system with the pristine back up copy.
>
> Now you've surfed where you wanted, and it only took 5 minutes of Ghost
> Restore to put your computer back in perfectly clean top running shape.
>
> Now unless you only surf hacker/porn/illegal/cracks type websites, you
> should be able to access your hotmail, yahoo, use google to search and
> click on the search hits, for at least a month before you find it
> necessary to run Ghost and restore your computer.
>
> Personally, I have my computer set up to automatically run Ghost every
> night after I go to bed. I am greeted in the morning by one beautiful
> woman and one very clean and virus-free computer.
>
> The only sacrifice you have to make is that whatever you download from
> the internet or save from cd-rom, must be placed on the second hard
> dive, where the Ghost back up files are. Cuz if you just download
> stuff to your desktop, theywill all be wiped out with everything else
> as soon as you run the ghost restore.
>
> I haven't used virus protection for the last three years, and yet I
> surf the internet sometimes up to 10 hours a day (I'm retired, I hope
> you get something more out of this post than the mere shock that other
> poeple have no kids and more time than you.
>
> Here's a parting thought:
>
> You realize that you have to download ANTI-virus definitions, so that
> you antivirus software knows what to look for to disinfect your
> computer, right?
>
> Those antivirus definitions, though small, are nevertheless all
> necessary to make sure your computer doesn't get infected by any of the
> thousands of viruses that are out there now, and that have been around
> since 1996.
>
> Ever wonder how much space those definitions are gonna take up on your
> hard drive after 10 years goes by? In the year 2016, you will all
> probably need an extra 200 gig hard drive just to hold all the
> anti-virus definitions that will be necessary to keep up with 10 years
> of new viruses!
>
> But don't worry...I'm sure Norton and Microsoft will figure out a way
> to get you those extra hard drives real cheap. Ain't that just sweet
> of them?
>
> I never wait around to hear you say thanks. I KNOW you are thankful
> that my parents met each other. Just look down whenever I walk by and
> we won't have any mess, kapeesh?
>



Posted by Ted Zieglar on July 10, 2006, 8:47 am
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Sorry...lost interest after the first paragraph. But isn't it in the
interest of police officers to keep criminals in business? If there was
no crime, they're out of work. And how about those firefighters? If they
really enforced those building codes how would they support their
families, etc. etc. In other words, the usual drivel.

---
Ted Zieglar
"Backup is a computer user's best friend."

Martha wrote:
> Did you ever wonder....do antivirus companies genuinely hope that
> hackers will have a change of heart and stop trying to infect other
> people's computers? That's obviously not the case. For the antivirus
> companies, such as Norton, a reduction in number of hackers/viruses
> would cause their business to fail. Norton, like law-enforcement,
> THRIVE BECAUSE of the bad things that people do.
>
> This in and of itself is not a bad thing. But now I'm gonna show you
> my point.
>
> If you found out that by sitting at your computer for a mere 5 minutes
> a day, you could generate thousands of dollars in revenue for your
> company each month, would you do it? Of course you would. What
> business owner would take steps to make sure she MISSES OUT on this
> money-making opportunity?
>
> Well now... if companies like Norton thrive on the existece of hackers
> (sort of like Satan, who is responsible for keeping the church in
> business), then what exactly would prevent the stock-owners of that
> company from hiring anonymous geeks to spread new viruses, thus
> ensuring Norton will be continually needed in the future by ignorant
> poeple who shore don't want any viruses?
>
> Perhaps you are familier with CPS (Child Protective Services). Know
> what happens if the reps they hire go too easy on the families accused
> of crimes against children? They ensure that their local CPS office
> will have progressively less and less work, and eventually ensure the
> future loss of their job. How can they avoid this? By turning
> mountains into molehills. If your child falsely accuses you of abusing
> them, you can be sure CPS will justify their continued future
> employment by dragging you through the courts, threatening to take away
> your child if you don't conform, or threating not to give the child
> back. Wow, ain't nothing like drumming up business for yourself which
> guarantees your own employment security, amen?
>
> This CPS thing is an analogy to the antivirus companies.
>
> In short, the very idea that they truly wish all hacker would come to
> know Jesus and stop this virus stuff immediately is ridiculous. It
> doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that IF companies like
> Norton secretly hire hacker to continually infest the internet with
> ever-new viruses, they assure themselves a very prosperous future in
> that business.
>
> The analogies are endless. Suppose a cop gets a mean talk from his
> Sergent for not fulfilling his monthly quota of arrests? Being in the
> privileged position he is in, what could he do to make his boss very
> happy? You guessed it, start arresting people more often when he
> otherwise would let the issue die with just a warning. Speeding
> tickets are so easy. If his boss says he ain't giving out the full
> quota expected, he can just start pulling people over for doing 60 in a
> 50 mph zone, instead of waiting to zap the 70 mph speeder.
>
> Hell, why not carry a little cocaine around in a plastic bag on the job
> (whose gonna frisk a cop?), and the next time he's called to the scene
> of a relatively calm situation, he can request to search the car, or
> have it towed away then searched if they don't comply (guaranteeing the
> driver will allow the search), and he can plant his cocaine on the guy,
> and be the hero of the day back at the cop shop.
>
> Think about it....that cop will lose his house and credit cards and
> probably his family if we all started obeying the laws of the land like
> paranoid monks.
>
> It should now be as clear to you as the sun on a cloudless day at
> noon....that antivirus companies can be fully expected to guarantee
> humanity will need them in the future by spreading newer and newer
> virus threats themselves.
>
> Now that the sermon is over, you don't need antivirus software to stay
> safe from the onslaught of online hackers.
>
> All you need are two hard drives and one copy of Norton Ghost.
>
> Use one hard drive for your operating system.
>
> Use the other for storage only.
>
> Run Norton Ghost and make a back up of your operating system before you
> surf the internet.
>
> Now surf all you please.
>
> If your computer starts manifesting symptoms of spyware/virus
> infection, such as slowing down, acting inconsistent...
>
> simply run Norton Ghost and tell it to replace your current operating
> system with the pristine back up copy.
>
> Now you've surfed where you wanted, and it only took 5 minutes of Ghost
> Restore to put your computer back in perfectly clean top running shape.
>
> Now unless you only surf hacker/porn/illegal/cracks type websites, you
> should be able to access your hotmail, yahoo, use google to search and
> click on the search hits, for at least a month before you find it
> necessary to run Ghost and restore your computer.
>
> Personally, I have my computer set up to automatically run Ghost every
> night after I go to bed. I am greeted in the morning by one beautiful
> woman and one very clean and virus-free computer.
>
> The only sacrifice you have to make is that whatever you download from
> the internet or save from cd-rom, must be placed on the second hard
> dive, where the Ghost back up files are. Cuz if you just download
> stuff to your desktop, theywill all be wiped out with everything else
> as soon as you run the ghost restore.
>
> I haven't used virus protection for the last three years, and yet I
> surf the internet sometimes up to 10 hours a day (I'm retired, I hope
> you get something more out of this post than the mere shock that other
> poeple have no kids and more time than you.
>
> Here's a parting thought:
>
> You realize that you have to download ANTI-virus definitions, so that
> you antivirus software knows what to look for to disinfect your
> computer, right?
>
> Those antivirus definitions, though small, are nevertheless all
> necessary to make sure your computer doesn't get infected by any of the
> thousands of viruses that are out there now, and that have been around
> since 1996.
>
> Ever wonder how much space those definitions are gonna take up on your
> hard drive after 10 years goes by? In the year 2016, you will all
> probably need an extra 200 gig hard drive just to hold all the
> anti-virus definitions that will be necessary to keep up with 10 years
> of new viruses!
>
> But don't worry...I'm sure Norton and Microsoft will figure out a way
> to get you those extra hard drives real cheap. Ain't that just sweet
> of them?
>
> I never wait around to hear you say thanks. I KNOW you are thankful
> that my parents met each other. Just look down whenever I walk by and
> we won't have any mess, kapeesh?
>

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