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Posted by =?Utf-8?B?dW5zdGFibGVtaWNyb3Nv on June 20, 2006, 6:10 pm
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Hi. I have narrowed down my choices to Norton and McAfee for a firewall and
anti virus. It's best to have the firewall and antivirus of the same
manufacturer.
What I like about McAfee is that it's anti virus program has an aggressive,
heuristic approach to what might be viruses or malware and who are not yet in
the DAT file. How is Norton's product in that regard ?
Norton claims that it's firewall is completely stealthed, but is that true
for all ports, including 0 and 1 ? I suppose it doesn't make my presence on
the internet invisible, or am I wrong ? Basically, I have a static IP adress
(cable ISP), reverse DNS possible. Officially I have a dynamic IP adress, but
that changes rarely. So my computer name acts like a supercookie, as said on
www.grc.com. This is just an intermezzo, but I'll ask it anyway: there are
ways to be anonymous on the internet, but are governments, criminals and
hackers not especially after proxies or other ways to remain anyonymous,
making one even less secure ? It would be easy and safe if my ISP had a proxy
server, but it does not. Any recommendations to stay REALLY anonymous on the
internet (I'll allow cookies, except tracking cookies) ? I'd have to
hide/change my IP.
Ok, back to the original question: is Norton anti virus aggressive towards
possible viruses of which no entry in the DAT files have been made yet ? And
how does it compare overall to McAfee's anti virus ?
And now the firewall ? Which one is better, Norton or McAfee, and why ? Any
vulnerabilities ?
Please give me a comparison of those two. McAfee and Norton.
Even if you don't know both, I'd appreciate your input. I'd have to buy one
of these soon.
Kind regards,
Unstablemicrosoft
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Posted by Steven L Umbach on June 20, 2006, 7:22 pm
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I doubt it matters much which personal firewall you use and opinions will
vary and I suggest you use the one that you are most comfortable with it's
interface but I would make sure that you use an internet router device also.
One that says it has a SPI firewall built in. That will keep unwanted
traffic off of your network adapter and give you a first line of defense.
The problem with personal firewalls is too often they become disable or
misconfigured by user interaction, software conflict, or malware. By all
means use one if you want but not as your only firewall when using cable. I
personally like Zone Alarm when using a third party firewall for ease of
configuration though for me my first choice is the built in Windows Firewall
if I have a need for a host firewall. Yes the Windows Firewall can not
manage outbound access but I have no need for that. --- Steve
> Hi. I have narrowed down my choices to Norton and McAfee for a firewall
> and
> anti virus. It's best to have the firewall and antivirus of the same
> manufacturer.
>
> What I like about McAfee is that it's anti virus program has an
> aggressive,
> heuristic approach to what might be viruses or malware and who are not yet
> in
> the DAT file. How is Norton's product in that regard ?
>
> Norton claims that it's firewall is completely stealthed, but is that true
> for all ports, including 0 and 1 ? I suppose it doesn't make my presence
> on
> the internet invisible, or am I wrong ? Basically, I have a static IP
> adress
> (cable ISP), reverse DNS possible. Officially I have a dynamic IP adress,
> but
> that changes rarely. So my computer name acts like a supercookie, as said
> on
> www.grc.com. This is just an intermezzo, but I'll ask it anyway: there are
> ways to be anonymous on the internet, but are governments, criminals and
> hackers not especially after proxies or other ways to remain anyonymous,
> making one even less secure ? It would be easy and safe if my ISP had a
> proxy
> server, but it does not. Any recommendations to stay REALLY anonymous on
> the
> internet (I'll allow cookies, except tracking cookies) ? I'd have to
> hide/change my IP.
>
> Ok, back to the original question: is Norton anti virus aggressive towards
> possible viruses of which no entry in the DAT files have been made yet ?
> And
> how does it compare overall to McAfee's anti virus ?
>
> And now the firewall ? Which one is better, Norton or McAfee, and why ?
> Any
> vulnerabilities ?
>
> Please give me a comparison of those two. McAfee and Norton.
>
> Even if you don't know both, I'd appreciate your input. I'd have to buy
> one
> of these soon.
>
> Kind regards,
> Unstablemicrosoft
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Posted by Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows She on June 20, 2006, 7:42 pm
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> Hi. I have narrowed down my choices to Norton and McAfee for a firewall
> and
> anti virus. It's best to have the firewall and antivirus of the same
> manufacturer.
>
> What I like about McAfee is that it's anti virus program has an
> aggressive,
> heuristic approach to what might be viruses or malware and who are not yet
> in
> the DAT file. How is Norton's product in that regard ?
>
> Norton claims that it's firewall is completely stealthed, but is that true
> for all ports, including 0 and 1 ? I suppose it doesn't make my presence
> on
> the internet invisible, or am I wrong ? Basically, I have a static IP
> adress
> (cable ISP), reverse DNS possible. Officially I have a dynamic IP adress,
> but
> that changes rarely. So my computer name acts like a supercookie, as said
> on
> www.grc.com. This is just an intermezzo, but I'll ask it anyway: there are
> ways to be anonymous on the internet, but are governments, criminals and
> hackers not especially after proxies or other ways to remain anyonymous,
> making one even less secure ? It would be easy and safe if my ISP had a
> proxy
> server, but it does not. Any recommendations to stay REALLY anonymous on
> the
> internet (I'll allow cookies, except tracking cookies) ? I'd have to
> hide/change my IP.
>
> Ok, back to the original question: is Norton anti virus aggressive towards
> possible viruses of which no entry in the DAT files have been made yet ?
> And
> how does it compare overall to McAfee's anti virus ?
>
> And now the firewall ? Which one is better, Norton or McAfee, and why ?
> Any
> vulnerabilities ?
>
> Please give me a comparison of those two. McAfee and Norton.
>
> Even if you don't know both, I'd appreciate your input. I'd have to buy
> one
> of these soon.
>
> Kind regards,
> Unstablemicrosoft
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Posted by Alun Jones on June 21, 2006, 10:30 am
If you were Registered and logged in, you could reply and use other advanced thread options > Hi. I have narrowed down my choices to Norton and McAfee for a firewall
> and
> anti virus. It's best to have the firewall and antivirus of the same
> manufacturer.
Why? This is an assumption that doesn't have any value.
Choose a variety of different protections, some redundant, that offer you
protection that you feel you need, along with utility that you know you
want - for instance, I've had to suggest my parents remove the Norton
Internet Security Firewall from their system, because they just can't get
the webcam and MSN Messenger to work through it, and they need to see the
grandkid.
> Norton claims that it's firewall is completely stealthed, but is that true
> for all ports, including 0 and 1 ?
And you make another assumption here - that a stealthed firewall is a good
idea.
Consider this - if at any stage a protocol assumes that it can use your IP
address as an identifier for you, you can be spoofed if your firewall is
stealthed, whereas a non-stealth firewall will issue a reset, causing the
spoofee to reject the spoofed data traffic. The Internet is built on some
fairly robust standards, and you should be cautious about anything that
ignores those standards, even in the name of security.
> I suppose it doesn't make my presence on
> the internet invisible, or am I wrong ?
Black holes are invisible(*), yet we know where several are.
Every time you visit a web site, you tell that web site where you are.
> Basically, I have a static IP adress
> (cable ISP), reverse DNS possible. Officially I have a dynamic IP adress,
> but
> that changes rarely. So my computer name acts like a supercookie, as said
> on
> www.grc.com.
Again, an assumption - you assume that site has any information of value
whatever. Steve Gibson is not given to understanding any of the work that
has gone on before, or during, his involvement in networking, and he
frequently makes up stupid terms for existing concepts, claiming to have
invented them himself. He's a shameless self-publicist, and if he sees a
way to put his name in the papers by predicting the imminent descent of the
stratosphere, he will do so. At least, that's been my impression from the
crap I've read from him in the past. Some of what he says is correct, but
that seems more by accident than by design. If you want to learn how to
secure your network, start with Johannson and Riley's book.
> This is just an intermezzo, but I'll ask it anyway: there are
> ways to be anonymous on the internet, but are governments, criminals and
> hackers not especially after proxies or other ways to remain anyonymous,
> making one even less secure ? It would be easy and safe if my ISP had a
> proxy
> server, but it does not. Any recommendations to stay REALLY anonymous on
> the
> internet (I'll allow cookies, except tracking cookies) ? I'd have to
> hide/change my IP.
The best way to stay REALLY anonymous on the Internet is not to do anything
on the Internet. Anything beyond that is trackable to some degree.
Alun.
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we still knew where several black holes were.
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Posted by =?Utf-8?B?dW5zdGFibGVtaWNyb3Nv on June 27, 2006, 9:13 am
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"Consider this - if at any stage a protocol assumes that it can use your IP
address as an identifier for you, you can be spoofed if your firewall is
stealthed, whereas a non-stealth firewall will issue a reset, causing the
spoofee to reject the spoofed data traffic. The Internet is built on some
fairly robust standards, and you should be cautious about anything that
ignores those standards, even in the name of security"
A non-stealth firewall causing a reset ? With regard to spoofing ? I REALLY,
REALLY, don't understand that. No offense, but it doesn't seem to make sense.
I have received spoof email messages even though my current firewall is NOT
stealthed.
It seems I can make the firewall of my router stealthed (looks like that,
according to several tests). Except port 0 and 1. Does having port 0 and 1
non-stealthed make the "stealth" useless ? Aside from certain specific
trojans and worms I'd guess that having even ONE port non-stealhed makes the
"other" stealth useless. Am I wrong ?
Thank you.
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