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Why buy Virus/Adware/Spyware when free stuff is better? Rob R. Ainscough 08-18-2006
Posted by Rob R. Ainscough on August 18, 2006, 2:02 am
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I've purchased BitDefender (full version with adware/spyware protection) and
have Microsoft's Window's Defender installed -- firewall is ON (both
software/hardware). So I'm surfing via the help system provided in VS 2005
and during my search come to what appears to be a development type of site,
next thing I know I've got a flashing systray icon (red sphere with X in it)
and a message that says "Warning your computer is in Danger!" (this one does
registry hacks to prevent Task Manager from loading, changes my desktop
background, and creates startup files, etc. etc.). I ran Active Ports and
sure enough I find a program called dlh9jkdq2.exe running and communication
to some other drone hijacked PC. Tracert shows the drone PC is still
relatively local to my area (SFO1).

1. How did this malware make it thru all my protection?

So I run a full scan via BitDefender and then another one via Windows
Defender -- Windows defender was completely useless and found nothing wrong.
BitDefender finds "suspicious files" but does nothing to fix the problem (I
tried Symantec also, same story). So I download Adware (lava soft) and
SpyBot Search & Destroy -- both free versions. Run them both and they do
indeed remove the malware/virus.

2. So payware virus/spyware protection like Symantec, BitDefender don't
catch these problems, yet freeware tools do??

Makes me wonder if the Anti-Virus/Spyware companies actually hire hackers to
produce viruses? And then it begs the question, that M$ might just leave
enough holes open so that these companies can continue.

Oh, and yes my WinXP was completely up to date.

This is yet another example of the crap that Microsoft likes to call an OS?
Every 5 years we're promised a more secure OS and every 5 years we get the
same crap that is usually compromised before it is even released.
Microsoft's response "it's up to the user to ensure their system is
secure" -- yeah pearls of wisdom from the money machine. Microsoft security
is a joke, this forum is just a facade to make people actually think M$ care
about security, they don't, they never will, and they doom themselves to
mediocre.

Rob.



Posted by =?Utf-8?B?V29sbGE=?= on August 18, 2006, 3:46 am
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1. How did this malware make it thru all my protection?
Thats very easy for malware. Malware get in trough Active X, Java, Websites,
Scripts..... So check your Internet Options and dont't install Active X
Components automatically. Set your Security Zone higher!

2. So payware virus/spyware protection like Symantec, BitDefender don't
catch these problems, yet freeware tools do??
Yes, believe me. One of the best and I think the best Freeware Spyware tool is
Spybot Search&Destroy. Download and install Spybot Search&Destroy. After
that, you should install the dectection update every week. Since 2005 I use
Spyware Search&Destroy and have no Spyware. So take time and work with
Spyware Search&Destroy and check all options!

Greets
Wolla

"Rob R. Ainscough" wrote:

> I've purchased BitDefender (full version with adware/spyware protection) and
> have Microsoft's Window's Defender installed -- firewall is ON (both
> software/hardware). So I'm surfing via the help system provided in VS 2005
> and during my search come to what appears to be a development type of site,
> next thing I know I've got a flashing systray icon (red sphere with X in it)
> and a message that says "Warning your computer is in Danger!" (this one does
> registry hacks to prevent Task Manager from loading, changes my desktop
> background, and creates startup files, etc. etc.). I ran Active Ports and
> sure enough I find a program called dlh9jkdq2.exe running and communication
> to some other drone hijacked PC. Tracert shows the drone PC is still
> relatively local to my area (SFO1).
>
> 1. How did this malware make it thru all my protection?
>
> So I run a full scan via BitDefender and then another one via Windows
> Defender -- Windows defender was completely useless and found nothing wrong.
> BitDefender finds "suspicious files" but does nothing to fix the problem (I
> tried Symantec also, same story). So I download Adware (lava soft) and
> SpyBot Search & Destroy -- both free versions. Run them both and they do
> indeed remove the malware/virus.
>
> 2. So payware virus/spyware protection like Symantec, BitDefender don't
> catch these problems, yet freeware tools do??
>
> Makes me wonder if the Anti-Virus/Spyware companies actually hire hackers to
> produce viruses? And then it begs the question, that M$ might just leave
> enough holes open so that these companies can continue.
>
> Oh, and yes my WinXP was completely up to date.
>
> This is yet another example of the crap that Microsoft likes to call an OS?
> Every 5 years we're promised a more secure OS and every 5 years we get the
> same crap that is usually compromised before it is even released.
> Microsoft's response "it's up to the user to ensure their system is
> secure" -- yeah pearls of wisdom from the money machine. Microsoft security
> is a joke, this forum is just a facade to make people actually think M$ care
> about security, they don't, they never will, and they doom themselves to
> mediocre.
>
> Rob.
>
>
>

Posted by Rob R. Ainscough on August 18, 2006, 11:25 am
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1. If I set security zone to high, most of MSDN help system in VS 2005 will
not function very well.

2. Yes, I installed and ran Spybot Search & Destroy and it worked very well
with no side affects.

No more payware for me, they just don't do jack -- sorta like paying for
Insurance from the Mob only these vendors do it legally.

> 1. How did this malware make it thru all my protection?
> Thats very easy for malware. Malware get in trough Active X, Java,
> Websites,
> Scripts..... So check your Internet Options and dont't install Active X
> Components automatically. Set your Security Zone higher!
>
> 2. So payware virus/spyware protection like Symantec, BitDefender don't
> catch these problems, yet freeware tools do??
> Yes, believe me. One of the best and I think the best Freeware Spyware
> tool is
> Spybot Search&Destroy. Download and install Spybot Search&Destroy. After
> that, you should install the dectection update every week. Since 2005 I
> use
> Spyware Search&Destroy and have no Spyware. So take time and work with
> Spyware Search&Destroy and check all options!
>
> Greets
> Wolla
>
> "Rob R. Ainscough" wrote:
>
>> I've purchased BitDefender (full version with adware/spyware protection)
>> and
>> have Microsoft's Window's Defender installed -- firewall is ON (both
>> software/hardware). So I'm surfing via the help system provided in VS
>> 2005
>> and during my search come to what appears to be a development type of
>> site,
>> next thing I know I've got a flashing systray icon (red sphere with X in
>> it)
>> and a message that says "Warning your computer is in Danger!" (this one
>> does
>> registry hacks to prevent Task Manager from loading, changes my desktop
>> background, and creates startup files, etc. etc.). I ran Active Ports
>> and
>> sure enough I find a program called dlh9jkdq2.exe running and
>> communication
>> to some other drone hijacked PC. Tracert shows the drone PC is still
>> relatively local to my area (SFO1).
>>
>> 1. How did this malware make it thru all my protection?
>>
>> So I run a full scan via BitDefender and then another one via Windows
>> Defender -- Windows defender was completely useless and found nothing
>> wrong.
>> BitDefender finds "suspicious files" but does nothing to fix the problem
>> (I
>> tried Symantec also, same story). So I download Adware (lava soft) and
>> SpyBot Search & Destroy -- both free versions. Run them both and they do
>> indeed remove the malware/virus.
>>
>> 2. So payware virus/spyware protection like Symantec, BitDefender don't
>> catch these problems, yet freeware tools do??
>>
>> Makes me wonder if the Anti-Virus/Spyware companies actually hire hackers
>> to
>> produce viruses? And then it begs the question, that M$ might just leave
>> enough holes open so that these companies can continue.
>>
>> Oh, and yes my WinXP was completely up to date.
>>
>> This is yet another example of the crap that Microsoft likes to call an
>> OS?
>> Every 5 years we're promised a more secure OS and every 5 years we get
>> the
>> same crap that is usually compromised before it is even released.
>> Microsoft's response "it's up to the user to ensure their system is
>> secure" -- yeah pearls of wisdom from the money machine. Microsoft
>> security
>> is a joke, this forum is just a facade to make people actually think M$
>> care
>> about security, they don't, they never will, and they doom themselves to
>> mediocre.
>>
>> Rob.
>>
>>
>>



Posted by Patrick Dickey on August 20, 2006, 2:16 am
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BitDefender (full version with adware/spyware protection) and
> have Microsoft's Window's Defender installed -- firewall is ON (both
> software/hardware). So I'm surfing via the help system provided in VS
> 2005 and during my search come to what appears to be a development type of
> site, next thing I know I've got a flashing systray icon (red sphere with
> X in it) and a message that says "Warning your computer is in Danger!"
> (this one does registry hacks to prevent Task Manager from loading,
> changes my desktop background, and creates startup files, etc. etc.). I
> ran Active Ports and sure enough I find a program called dlh9jkdq2.exe
> running and communication to some other drone hijacked PC. Tracert shows
> the drone PC is still relatively local to my area (SFO1).
>
> 1. How did this malware make it thru all my protection?

BitDefender and Symantec are antivirus programs, not necessarily antispyware
programs. Since Ad-Aware and/or Spybot removed the malware, it was more
then likely spyware, not a virus. Without knowing what the detection called
it, we can't tell for sure. It's analogous to a heart surgeon doing brain
surgery. They're both surgeons and it's still surgery, but they aren't the
same thing.

As for Windows Defender, in theory it should have found and removed the
malware (since going by what I said above that Ad-Aware snd Spybot found
it). However one common thread you will find in this newsgroup and in the
forums dedicated to Windows Defender, SpyBot, and Ad-Aware is this. NO
antispyware program will ever be 100% perfect. So, it's recommended that
you scan with more then one (but only have one running "full-time"). They
should all complement each other and back each other up.

One final thing is that if you're running in an Administrative account
(which I will admit that I do), it's partially your fault also that you got
infected. Why? Because most, if not all, malware can only run in the
context (permissions) of the account that is currently logged in. So, if
you're running as a limited user, it can't install very easy (although some
can, I'm sure). However, if you're running as an Administrator, it can
install extremely easy.

> So I run a full scan via BitDefender and then another one via Windows
> Defender -- Windows defender was completely useless and found nothing
> wrong. BitDefender finds "suspicious files" but does nothing to fix the
> problem (I tried Symantec also, same story). So I download Adware (lava
> soft) and SpyBot Search & Destroy -- both free versions. Run them both
> and they do indeed remove the malware/virus.
>
> 2. So payware virus/spyware protection like Symantec, BitDefender don't
> catch these problems, yet freeware tools do??

You do realize that BitDefender offers a free version also, right? So you
should have just downloaded the free version then. (I'm being sarcastic
here).

> Makes me wonder if the Anti-Virus/Spyware companies actually hire hackers
> to produce viruses? And then it begs the question, that M$ might just
> leave enough holes open so that these companies can continue.

The security issues have been problems for everyone, not just Microsoft.
And you can pretty much ask any programmer. They'll tell you that with over
10 million lines of code, you're bound to have holes, bugs, and other
issues. I have yet to see a perfectly written program or Operating System.
I would also imagine that if you can write 10 million lines of perfectly
secure, bug-free code, Microsoft will hire you in about 5 seconds (4 of them
being the time that it takes for you to answer the phone).

> Oh, and yes my WinXP was completely up to date.
>
> This is yet another example of the crap that Microsoft likes to call an
> OS? Every 5 years we're promised a more secure OS and every 5 years we get
> the same crap that is usually compromised before it is even released.
> Microsoft's response "it's up to the user to ensure their system is
> secure" -- yeah pearls of wisdom from the money machine. Microsoft
> security is a joke, this forum is just a facade to make people actually
> think M$ care about security, they don't, they never will, and they doom
> themselves to mediocre.
>
> Rob.

I hate to tell you this, but ultimately it IS up to the user to make sure
the system is secure. Do you want secure, or do you want ease of
installation? In reality, you can't have both. If you want it to be simple
to install a program, then it will be simple for malware to install a
program. If you want total security, then it's going to be harder for you
to install the program. Don't believe me? Check out UAC in Windows Vista.
It's definitely more secure then XP (since even the "Administrators" aren't
"Administrators"). But you have to go through hoops in order to install the
simplest programs.

As for this newsgroup, I haven't seen very many MSFT responses here. The
common thread that you'll see here is "We are all volunteers." Very few (if
any of us) are employees of Microsoft. The closest I am is that I've been
beta testing their software (including Vista) for a few years now. Usually,
but not always, the only posts from Microsoft here, are the ones about the
MBSA. A few may follow up on threads, but it's not a normal thing.

If you think that Microsoft is the only company with 'holes' in their
software, then I highly suggest that you check out http://www.secunia.com.
You'll be amazed at the different software vendors (including programs for
Windows, Linux, and even Macintosh) that have security issues. You'll even
be amazed to find out that Hardware has security issues.

--
Patrick Dickey.

smile... someone out there cares deeply for you.
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