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Posted by =?Utf-8?B?bXlzZWxmLTY2?= on January 9, 2006, 12:36 pm
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It has come to my attention that when I press delete to remove financial
information after purchasing something online, it is not actually deleted and
can be recovered using various maintanence apps or other such software. Why
would you build a button that is supposed to dispose of such documents, just
like a cheap office paper shredder would do (and permanently at that), but
actually just hides them in places which I am not aware of and cannot easily
access, so that some scamming bastard can just steal them later?????
You guys are smart enough to build such amazing devices as these computers
in the first place, HOW on earth would you FAIL to notice this???
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Posted by Ted Zieglar on January 9, 2006, 12:47 pm
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Do you know that you have posted in a public newsgroup? Do you know what a
public newsgroup is? I'll clue you in: It's a giant public bulletin board in
cyberspace, where anyone can post a message and anyone can read the
messages.
You seem to have a problem with a web site or perhaps some software program
that you've used. To get an answer to your question, you would be better off
to contact the web site directly, or ask the software program's technical
support group.
A tip: Whomever you decide to contact, you're more likely to get an answer
to your question if you are very specific about your request.
--
Ted Zieglar
"You can do it if you try."
> It has come to my attention that when I press delete to remove financial
> information after purchasing something online, it is not actually deleted
and
> can be recovered using various maintanence apps or other such software.
Why
> would you build a button that is supposed to dispose of such documents,
just
> like a cheap office paper shredder would do (and permanently at that), but
> actually just hides them in places which I am not aware of and cannot
easily
> access, so that some scamming bastard can just steal them later?????
> You guys are smart enough to build such amazing devices as these computers
> in the first place, HOW on earth would you FAIL to notice this???
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Posted by Galen on January 9, 2006, 2:58 pm
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My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
> It has come to my attention that when I press delete to remove
> financial information after purchasing something online, it is not
> actually deleted and can be recovered using various maintanence apps
> or other such software. Why would you build a button that is
> supposed to dispose of such documents, just like a cheap office paper
> shredder would do (and permanently at that), but actually just hides
> them in places which I am not aware of and cannot easily access, so
> that some scamming bastard can just steal them later?????
> You guys are smart enough to build such amazing devices as these
> computers in the first place, HOW on earth would you FAIL to notice
> this???
Because if delete actually worked like you think it does it would take
forever and a day to get anything done and drives would burn out far sooner
than the manufacturer had hoped. Delete only removes it from the listing in
the OS. You could/can delete it and write over it a bunch of times with
random letters/numbers and it should prevent it from being recovered but the
process is slow and resource intensive. And, of course, if you did delete
something and wanted to recover it you'd be out of luck and there's a lot of
people who delete things that they discover they didn't mean to. They'd like
to be able to recover it. The file, based on magnetic storage, is going to
remain resident on the storage device until it's been writen over and even
then sometimes there's "assumption" applications that can be used to recover
even the missing parts by simply looking at the existing parts and using
logic to assume what's missing. (You'll need to work for a labratory,
government agency, or specialty recovery house for such software likely...)
I have not used this application but you might be interested in something
like this:
http://www.snapfiles.com/reviews/AnalogX_SuperShredder/supershredder.html
--
Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE)
http://dts-l.org/
http://kgiii.info/
"We approached the case, you remember, with an absolutely blank mind,
which is always an advantage. We had formed no theories. We were simply
there to observe and to draw inferences from our observations." -
Sherlock Holmes
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Posted by Roger Abell [MVP] on January 9, 2006, 3:50 pm
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This is not a likely place for the "you" that your post addresses
to be seeing what you have said.
There are many optimizations in computer systems, one type of
which makes the user's view of things be as expected while under
the covers something quite different may be happening. When one
deletes things, from one point of view one is just freeing up resource
for reuse. After a specific area of the drive has been rewritten some
number of times the original content does become only very difficultly
recoverable, if that.
What you are after is a "secure delete" for which there are third-party
tools. One may also use the "cipher /w" command to wipe all unused
space on a specific disk drive.
Making a file actually not recoverable is a resource intensive process.
For this reason it is something left to manual invocation.
> It has come to my attention that when I press delete to remove financial
> information after purchasing something online, it is not actually deleted
> and
> can be recovered using various maintanence apps or other such software.
> Why
> would you build a button that is supposed to dispose of such documents,
> just
> like a cheap office paper shredder would do (and permanently at that), but
> actually just hides them in places which I am not aware of and cannot
> easily
> access, so that some scamming bastard can just steal them later?????
> You guys are smart enough to build such amazing devices as these computers
> in the first place, HOW on earth would you FAIL to notice this???
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Posted by Mark Randall on January 9, 2006, 7:16 pm
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> It has come to my attention that when I press delete to remove financial
> information after purchasing something online, it is not actually deleted
> and
> can be recovered using various maintanence apps or other such software.
> Why
> would you build a button that is supposed to dispose of such documents,
> just
> like a cheap office paper shredder would do (and permanently at that), but
> actually just hides them in places which I am not aware of and cannot
> easily
> access, so that some scamming bastard can just steal them later?????
> You guys are smart enough to build such amazing devices as these computers
> in the first place, HOW on earth would you FAIL to notice this???
Most people know this (99% of windows users), it appears you only just
caught on and are somewhat angry you are out of the loop.
--
- Mark Randall
http://www.temporal-solutions.co.uk
http://zetech.swehli.com
"Those people that think they know everything are a great annoyance to those
of us who do"
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