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Trusting Certs from Non Trusted root TrevorJ 03-23-2007
Posted by =?Utf-8?B?VHJldm9ySg==?= on March 24, 2007, 7:55 am
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Thanks to you both for the info. Unfortunately, I'm not too much up in this
certificate thing and wonder if one of you could help me further, as I don't
fully understand what exactly I have to do. If You can help me on this one,
I'll write a little 'how to do it' and give the instructions to any one else
that's P'd off about it.
If it makes any difference, I am running XP Pro SP2 on my tower and Vista
Home Premium on my laptop, both with IE7. All patches up to date.
@Paul.
I like your sig block sentiments, but I suspect that quite a few arguments
an flaming incidents have been prevented by their use :-)
Trevor



"S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:

> You can extract the root by analysing the certificate properties and add it
> to the trusted root store...
>
> The IT people are very unprofessional. It's one click too much.
>
> --
> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
> -= F1 is the key =-
>
> * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *
>
>
> > Thanks for the reply.
> > I have tried talking to our IT people, but their response is 'It's only
> > one
> > more click'. I (temporarily) tried unchecking the IE Warn about.... but
> > that
> > didn't solve the problem.
> > You would have thought that you could 'import' a certificate from a
> > trusted
> > site, even if it was not strictly valid.
> > Thanks again, I suppose that I will have to put up with the extra click.
> >
> > Trevor
> >
> >
> > "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
> >
> >> In IE security options, there's one which is to "Warn about invalid site
> >> certificates". You cannot disable the warning for a single site though.
> >>
> >> I suggest looking into the root issue and making the root which is always
> >> used by your infrastructure trusted. Make sure you know why exactly you
> >> get
> >> the warning.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
> >> -= F1 is the key =-
> >>
> >> * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *
> >>
> >> >I work for a school which has internet access to the school network via
> >> >a
> >> > https address. When connecting IE produces the following message: "The
> >> > security certificate presented by this website was not issued by a
> >> > trusted
> >> > certificate authority." Although the certificate cannot be traced back,
> >> > I
> >> > would like to avoid this message every time I log on. I have tried
> >> > importing
> >> > the certificate and placing he site into my 'trusted sites' area, but
> >> > to
> >> > no
> >> > avail. Is there a way of achieving what I want to do?
> >> > TIA. Trevor
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Posted by =?Utf-8?B?VHJldm9ySg==?= on March 24, 2007, 9:47 am
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PS the site that I am trying to trust is
https://24hrschool.bexhillhigh.e-sussex.sch.uk/

Trevor

"TrevorJ" wrote:

> Thanks to you both for the info. Unfortunately, I'm not too much up in this
> certificate thing and wonder if one of you could help me further, as I don't
> fully understand what exactly I have to do. If You can help me on this one,
> I'll write a little 'how to do it' and give the instructions to any one else
> that's P'd off about it.
> If it makes any difference, I am running XP Pro SP2 on my tower and Vista
> Home Premium on my laptop, both with IE7. All patches up to date.
> @Paul.
> I like your sig block sentiments, but I suspect that quite a few arguments
> an flaming incidents have been prevented by their use :-)
> Trevor
>
>
>
> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
>
> > You can extract the root by analysing the certificate properties and add it
> > to the trusted root store...
> >
> > The IT people are very unprofessional. It's one click too much.
> >
> > --
> > Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
> > -= F1 is the key =-
> >
> > * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *
> >
> >
> > > Thanks for the reply.
> > > I have tried talking to our IT people, but their response is 'It's only
> > > one
> > > more click'. I (temporarily) tried unchecking the IE Warn about.... but
> > > that
> > > didn't solve the problem.
> > > You would have thought that you could 'import' a certificate from a
> > > trusted
> > > site, even if it was not strictly valid.
> > > Thanks again, I suppose that I will have to put up with the extra click.
> > >
> > > Trevor
> > >
> > >
> > > "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
> > >
> > >> In IE security options, there's one which is to "Warn about invalid site
> > >> certificates". You cannot disable the warning for a single site though.
> > >>
> > >> I suggest looking into the root issue and making the root which is always
> > >> used by your infrastructure trusted. Make sure you know why exactly you
> > >> get
> > >> the warning.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
> > >> -= F1 is the key =-
> > >>
> > >> * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *
> > >>
> > >> >I work for a school which has internet access to the school network via
> > >> >a
> > >> > https address. When connecting IE produces the following message: "The
> > >> > security certificate presented by this website was not issued by a
> > >> > trusted
> > >> > certificate authority." Although the certificate cannot be traced back,
> > >> > I
> > >> > would like to avoid this message every time I log on. I have tried
> > >> > importing
> > >> > the certificate and placing he site into my 'trusted sites' area, but
> > >> > to
> > >> > no
> > >> > avail. Is there a way of achieving what I want to do?
> > >> > TIA. Trevor
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >

Posted by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] on March 24, 2007, 12:42 pm
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> PS the site that I am trying to trust is
> https://24hrschool.bexhillhigh.e-sussex.sch.uk/

Looks like they created their own SSL certificate (for free). If they were
to instead purchase a third party SSL certificate from one of the root /
trusted providers, it's highly unlikely that anyone would be getting this
message.

Although I have the utmost respect for Mr. Pidgorny, I can't agree with the
blanket statement that "...the IT people are very unprofessional" with so
little background knowlege. To give them the benefit of the doubt, perhaps
they've been given a shoestring budget and/or have
technologically-challenged management to deal with - either might explain
why they went with the "roll your own" route.

The fact that you're using Vista/IE7 means that your computer is going to
complain a lot more about this than one running IE6, in which case it's
simple to click & install *once* so one is never bothered again.

However, it's true that for anything other than a small/home office, it's
better not to use a a self-signed cert. Verisign, Thawte, Geotrust, are
some of the big names - Godaddy is a smaller vendor that may work for most
people/devices/computers.


>
> Trevor
>
> "TrevorJ" wrote:
>
>> Thanks to you both for the info. Unfortunately, I'm not too much up
>> in this certificate thing and wonder if one of you could help me
>> further, as I don't fully understand what exactly I have to do. If
>> You can help me on this one, I'll write a little 'how to do it' and
>> give the instructions to any one else that's P'd off about it.
>> If it makes any difference, I am running XP Pro SP2 on my tower and
>> Vista Home Premium on my laptop, both with IE7. All patches up to
>> date. @Paul.
>> I like your sig block sentiments, but I suspect that quite a few
>> arguments an flaming incidents have been prevented by their use :-)
>> Trevor
>>
>>
>>
>> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
>>
>>> You can extract the root by analysing the certificate properties
>>> and add it to the trusted root store...
>>>
>>> The IT people are very unprofessional. It's one click too much.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
>>> -= F1 is the key =-
>>>
>>> * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>> I have tried talking to our IT people, but their response is 'It's
>>>> only one
>>>> more click'. I (temporarily) tried unchecking the IE Warn
>>>> about.... but that
>>>> didn't solve the problem.
>>>> You would have thought that you could 'import' a certificate from a
>>>> trusted
>>>> site, even if it was not strictly valid.
>>>> Thanks again, I suppose that I will have to put up with the extra
>>>> click.
>>>>
>>>> Trevor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In IE security options, there's one which is to "Warn about
>>>>> invalid site certificates". You cannot disable the warning for a
>>>>> single site though.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest looking into the root issue and making the root which
>>>>> is always used by your infrastructure trusted. Make sure you know
>>>>> why exactly you get
>>>>> the warning.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
>>>>> -= F1 is the key =-
>>>>>
>>>>> * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *
>>>>>
>>>>>> I work for a school which has internet access to the school
>>>>>> network via a
>>>>>> https address. When connecting IE produces the following
>>>>>> message: "The security certificate presented by this website was
>>>>>> not issued by a trusted
>>>>>> certificate authority." Although the certificate cannot be
>>>>>> traced back, I
>>>>>> would like to avoid this message every time I log on. I have
>>>>>> tried importing
>>>>>> the certificate and placing he site into my 'trusted sites'
>>>>>> area, but to
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> avail. Is there a way of achieving what I want to do?
>>>>>> TIA. Trevor




Posted by =?Utf-8?B?VHJldm9ySg==?= on March 24, 2007, 1:41 pm
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I suspect that it's a cost thing, although I suspect the budget should run to
a 'proper' certificate. I'll have another word with the IT people about it as
it obviously affects all who try to use our school 'remote network' facility
and getting it sorted would be a 'good thing'.
In the mean time, is what I am after possible? and if so, how can I do it?

Regards Trevor

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:

> > PS the site that I am trying to trust is
> > https://24hrschool.bexhillhigh.e-sussex.sch.uk/
>
> Looks like they created their own SSL certificate (for free). If they were
> to instead purchase a third party SSL certificate from one of the root /
> trusted providers, it's highly unlikely that anyone would be getting this
> message.
>
> Although I have the utmost respect for Mr. Pidgorny, I can't agree with the
> blanket statement that "...the IT people are very unprofessional" with so
> little background knowlege. To give them the benefit of the doubt, perhaps
> they've been given a shoestring budget and/or have
> technologically-challenged management to deal with - either might explain
> why they went with the "roll your own" route.
>
> The fact that you're using Vista/IE7 means that your computer is going to
> complain a lot more about this than one running IE6, in which case it's
> simple to click & install *once* so one is never bothered again.
>
> However, it's true that for anything other than a small/home office, it's
> better not to use a a self-signed cert. Verisign, Thawte, Geotrust, are
> some of the big names - Godaddy is a smaller vendor that may work for most
> people/devices/computers.
>
>
> >
> > Trevor
> >
> > "TrevorJ" wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks to you both for the info. Unfortunately, I'm not too much up
> >> in this certificate thing and wonder if one of you could help me
> >> further, as I don't fully understand what exactly I have to do. If
> >> You can help me on this one, I'll write a little 'how to do it' and
> >> give the instructions to any one else that's P'd off about it.
> >> If it makes any difference, I am running XP Pro SP2 on my tower and
> >> Vista Home Premium on my laptop, both with IE7. All patches up to
> >> date. @Paul.
> >> I like your sig block sentiments, but I suspect that quite a few
> >> arguments an flaming incidents have been prevented by their use :-)
> >> Trevor
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
> >>
> >>> You can extract the root by analysing the certificate properties
> >>> and add it to the trusted root store...
> >>>
> >>> The IT people are very unprofessional. It's one click too much.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
> >>> -= F1 is the key =-
> >>>
> >>> * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks for the reply.
> >>>> I have tried talking to our IT people, but their response is 'It's
> >>>> only one
> >>>> more click'. I (temporarily) tried unchecking the IE Warn
> >>>> about.... but that
> >>>> didn't solve the problem.
> >>>> You would have thought that you could 'import' a certificate from a
> >>>> trusted
> >>>> site, even if it was not strictly valid.
> >>>> Thanks again, I suppose that I will have to put up with the extra
> >>>> click.
> >>>>
> >>>> Trevor
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In IE security options, there's one which is to "Warn about
> >>>>> invalid site certificates". You cannot disable the warning for a
> >>>>> single site though.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I suggest looking into the root issue and making the root which
> >>>>> is always used by your infrastructure trusted. Make sure you know
> >>>>> why exactly you get
> >>>>> the warning.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
> >>>>> -= F1 is the key =-
> >>>>>
> >>>>> * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I work for a school which has internet access to the school
> >>>>>> network via a
> >>>>>> https address. When connecting IE produces the following
> >>>>>> message: "The security certificate presented by this website was
> >>>>>> not issued by a trusted
> >>>>>> certificate authority." Although the certificate cannot be
> >>>>>> traced back, I
> >>>>>> would like to avoid this message every time I log on. I have
> >>>>>> tried importing
> >>>>>> the certificate and placing he site into my 'trusted sites'
> >>>>>> area, but to
> >>>>>> no
> >>>>>> avail. Is there a way of achieving what I want to do?
> >>>>>> TIA. Trevor
>
>
>
>

Posted by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] on March 24, 2007, 4:55 pm
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> I suspect that it's a cost thing, although I suspect the budget
> should run to a 'proper' certificate. I'll have another word with the
> IT people about it as it obviously affects all who try to use our
> school 'remote network' facility and getting it sorted would be a
> 'good thing'.
> In the mean time, is what I am after possible? and if so, how can I
> do it?
>

I haven't tried this, as I am not yet using Vista *or* IE7....but check out
http://msmvps.com/blogs/spywaresucks/archive/2006/01/31/82198.aspx


> Regards Trevor
>
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]" wrote:
>
>>> PS the site that I am trying to trust is
>>> https://24hrschool.bexhillhigh.e-sussex.sch.uk/
>>
>> Looks like they created their own SSL certificate (for free). If
>> they were to instead purchase a third party SSL certificate from one
>> of the root / trusted providers, it's highly unlikely that anyone
>> would be getting this message.
>>
>> Although I have the utmost respect for Mr. Pidgorny, I can't agree
>> with the blanket statement that "...the IT people are very
>> unprofessional" with so little background knowlege. To give them
>> the benefit of the doubt, perhaps they've been given a shoestring
>> budget and/or have technologically-challenged management to deal
>> with - either might explain why they went with the "roll your own"
>> route.
>>
>> The fact that you're using Vista/IE7 means that your computer is
>> going to complain a lot more about this than one running IE6, in
>> which case it's simple to click & install *once* so one is never
>> bothered again.
>>
>> However, it's true that for anything other than a small/home office,
>> it's better not to use a a self-signed cert. Verisign, Thawte,
>> Geotrust, are some of the big names - Godaddy is a smaller vendor
>> that may work for most people/devices/computers.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Trevor
>>>
>>> "TrevorJ" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks to you both for the info. Unfortunately, I'm not too much up
>>>> in this certificate thing and wonder if one of you could help me
>>>> further, as I don't fully understand what exactly I have to do. If
>>>> You can help me on this one, I'll write a little 'how to do it' and
>>>> give the instructions to any one else that's P'd off about it.
>>>> If it makes any difference, I am running XP Pro SP2 on my tower and
>>>> Vista Home Premium on my laptop, both with IE7. All patches up to
>>>> date. @Paul.
>>>> I like your sig block sentiments, but I suspect that quite a few
>>>> arguments an flaming incidents have been prevented by their use :-)
>>>> Trevor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You can extract the root by analysing the certificate properties
>>>>> and add it to the trusted root store...
>>>>>
>>>>> The IT people are very unprofessional. It's one click too much.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
>>>>> -= F1 is the key =-
>>>>>
>>>>> * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>>>> I have tried talking to our IT people, but their response is
>>>>>> 'It's only one
>>>>>> more click'. I (temporarily) tried unchecking the IE Warn
>>>>>> about.... but that
>>>>>> didn't solve the problem.
>>>>>> You would have thought that you could 'import' a certificate
>>>>>> from a trusted
>>>>>> site, even if it was not strictly valid.
>>>>>> Thanks again, I suppose that I will have to put up with the extra
>>>>>> click.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trevor
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "S. Pidgorny <MVP>" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In IE security options, there's one which is to "Warn about
>>>>>>> invalid site certificates". You cannot disable the warning for a
>>>>>>> single site though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suggest looking into the root issue and making the root which
>>>>>>> is always used by your infrastructure trusted. Make sure you
>>>>>>> know why exactly you get
>>>>>>> the warning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Svyatoslav Pidgorny, MS MVP - Security, MCSE
>>>>>>> -= F1 is the key =-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * http://sl.mvps.org * http://msmvps.com/blogs/sp *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I work for a school which has internet access to the school
>>>>>>>> network via a
>>>>>>>> https address. When connecting IE produces the following
>>>>>>>> message: "The security certificate presented by this website
>>>>>>>> was not issued by a trusted
>>>>>>>> certificate authority." Although the certificate cannot be
>>>>>>>> traced back, I
>>>>>>>> would like to avoid this message every time I log on. I have
>>>>>>>> tried importing
>>>>>>>> the certificate and placing he site into my 'trusted sites'
>>>>>>>> area, but to
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> avail. Is there a way of achieving what I want to do?
>>>>>>>> TIA. Trevor




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