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My email address appears through search engine Hummer5 10-31-2006
Posted by =?Utf-8?B?SHVtbWVyNQ==?= on October 31, 2006, 10:23 pm
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Although this may not be an appropriate forum for my question/concern, I am
pleading for someone's suggestion or help to resolve my dilemma. Back in
2002 when I was a novice to on-line newsgroups, I posted several questions
on the MS Newsgroup forum showing my actual email address. Several weeks ago
I googled my email address and to my surprise it appeared several times on
the following site.

http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/securityfocus/focus-ms/

I am not familiar with that site but it appears to contain both active and
archived newsgroups. Since about 2003 it appears that the email addresses are
being encrypted (if thats the correct term?) to possibly prevent mining of
addresses. However, prior to that time the posters' actual email address
appeared, including mine. There could possibly be thousands of actual email
addresses appearing on the site which are being mined and used to spam
unsuspecting victims, of which I may be one. I have sent the web site
several emails in recent weeks requesting that my postings and email address
be removed from the site, however, it has only been removed in one instance
and still appears in two other instances. Recent emails to the site
requesting further deletions have gone unanswered and my postings and address
still appear for the world to see. Can anyone advise how I can get this
matter attended to. Sorry for the long post. Thanks.



Posted by =?Utf-8?B?SWFu?= on November 1, 2006, 7:44 am
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Basically if you posted your address in a newsgroup, you cannot really hold
anyone responsible for caching it. You could ask them to remove it, but they
are not under any onus to comply.

OTOH if a webmaster posted your email address manually without your
permission that would be a breach of copyright. It might also arguably be a
case of liability through incompetence if you get spammed.

On which subject there is a desperate need for training-materials on
webdesign etc to be updated to reflect the current situation. Far too many
professional webdesigners are STILL putting unprotected mailto: links onto
sites.

Also, how hard would it be to include a warning in OE, Agent, Frontpage,
Dreamweaver, etc when a user tries to post an mail-address onto a webpage?
That would be a trivial piece of coding, and it would greatly help in the
fight against spam.



Posted by Davy on November 2, 2006, 9:39 am
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Far too many
> professional webdesigners are STILL putting unprotected mailto: links onto
> sites.
>
Ian, so how do you protect a mailto: link?

Davy



Posted by Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] on November 3, 2006, 10:57 am
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> Far too many
>> professional webdesigners are STILL putting unprotected mailto:
>> links onto sites.
>>
> Ian, so how do you protect a mailto: link?
>
> Davy

[I'm not Ian, but I play him on TV. ]

Mailto: links are by definition 'unprotected'. So, good designers don't use
them. They either create a *form* that the user fills out, that sends a
message behind the scenes to the address of your choice (my preference), or
create something like a a 'contact me' button that launches the mail client
and fills in the e-mail address. Putting an email address in any
machine-readable format on any website is a surefire way to get spam sent to
it.



Posted by on November 5, 2006, 10:23 am
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Hummer5 wrote:
> Although this may not be an appropriate forum for my question/concern, I am
> pleading for someone's suggestion or help to resolve my dilemma. Back in
> 2002 when I was a novice to on-line newsgroups, I posted several questions
> on the MS Newsgroup forum showing my actual email address. Several weeks ago
> I googled my email address and to my surprise it appeared several times on
> the following site.
>
> http://www.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/securityfocus/focus-ms/
>
> I am not familiar with that site but it appears to contain both active and
> archived newsgroups. Since about 2003 it appears that the email addresses are
> being encrypted (if thats the correct term?) to possibly prevent mining of
> addresses. However, prior to that time the posters' actual email address
> appeared, including mine. There could possibly be thousands of actual email
> addresses appearing on the site which are being mined and used to spam
> unsuspecting victims, of which I may be one. I have sent the web site
> several emails in recent weeks requesting that my postings and email address
> be removed from the site, however, it has only been removed in one instance
> and still appears in two other instances. Recent emails to the site
> requesting further deletions have gone unanswered and my postings and address
> still appear for the world to see. Can anyone advise how I can get this
> matter attended to. Sorry for the long post. Thanks.

Hi Hummer5,

I'm the creator of derkeiler.com, one of the most popular newsgroup and
mailing list archives on the net (http://www.derkeiler.com/about/).

A common misunderstanding about usenet archives is that these archives
are used by spammers to find email-adresses. That's in fact no true.

Why should a spammer do all this work of spidering millions of
web-pages when he can just subscribe to all usenet groups and get new
adresses in real-time?

In the very same moment you send your usenet post back in 2002, your
email-adress appeared in thousands of databases.

Google Groups warns everyone about this fact when posting to a group:
"The group you are posting to is a Usenet group.
Messages posted to this group will make your email visible to anyone on
the Internet."

The removal of your email-adress now will have no effect regarding the
number of spams in your inbox.

Regards
Ulrich Keil
http://www.derkeiler.com


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