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Free Anti-Virus & Other Safety Software ~BD~ 08-13-2008
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Posted by FromTheRafters on August 15, 2008, 8:47 pm
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> G'day:
>
>
>> On Vista I have Avast! anti-virus (I let the McAfee free trial expire).
>> On XP I have Norton, and when it expires I will install AntiVir as
>> the anti-virus. Both of those are the free versions, but I am not a
>> high risk user - so they'll do just fine.
>
> Even for a high-risk users there is no clear advantage of a paid product
> over freeware. Phone support?

I'm low risk because of my computing habits (a little) and the
low value of my data.

High risk users should be willing to pay for the support behind
the software product, and in most cases will also get a superior
product to the free version. I refer specifically to anti-virus here
because it is the work of people behind the scenes that makes
a product superior. Although much good work is done by the
freeware community, they would have to dedicate far too much
time in order to amass the same amount of knowledge that some
payware companies have over decades of evolution. Not to
mention the ongoing research and real world sampling people
would have to do - and people gotta eat! :o)



Posted by Kayman on August 16, 2008, 3:58 am
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:54:31 +1000, S. Pidgorny <MVP> wrote:

> G'day:
>
>
>> On Vista I have Avast! anti-virus (I let the McAfee free trial expire).
>> On XP I have Norton, and when it expires I will install AntiVir as
>> the anti-virus. Both of those are the free versions, but I am not a
>> high risk user - so they'll do just fine.
>
> Even for a high-risk users there is no clear advantage of a paid product
> over freeware. Phone support?

Agree wholeheartedly. One only has to follow websites specializing in
comparing AV programs. Or follow (uncountable) newsgroup messages in
relation to WLOC, retail version of Norton, McAfee and TrenMicro...For the
average homeuser free version of AntiVir or Avast are adequate (IMO).

Posted by Paul Adare - MVP on August 19, 2008, 6:41 am
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:17:29 -0700, Dan wrote:

> and I
> hope Microsoft will sell their 9x source code to DHS because we need all the
> help that we can get and it is such a loss not to take the full potential of
> an operating system that has its roots in Disk Operating System as a
> maintenance operating system

This won't happen.

> at least until Microsoft is able to give us a
> viable replacement for the NT source code which users seem to forget was
> panned by early Microsoft Engineers as the inferior source code because of
> its lack of the internal safety of Disk Operating System.

Sorry, but this is a load of crap.

--
Paul Adare
MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
http://www.identit.ca
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Posted by Kayman on August 19, 2008, 8:20 am
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:17:29 -0700, Dan wrote:

> Thanks. I am using Windows 98 Second Edition on a daily basis now. I also
> use Windows XP Professional and have briefly tried Ubuntu Linux. I have
> Windows Vista Home Premium on another machine. I now know that Windows 98
> Second Edition is a safe internal alternative because the most the bad guys
> have been able to do to me so far is just the Denial of Service error and
> that just makes me laugh since whoever the hackers were of the APS network,
> they certainly appeared to know what they were looking for and how to get it
> quickly but with 98 Second Edition all they could do was the Denial of
> Service Error because 9x consumer source code is meant as a stand-a-lone
> source code and not meant to be networked with lots of other machines and
> that is why in my opinion it was a great lose for all of us not to have
> Windows 98 Second Edition support from Microsoft anymore.

I do banking and trade in stocks etc. and wouldn't feel safe using an
unsupported and outdated operating system.

> Heck, all anybody has to do is check out secunia.com and research the
> vulnerabilities to see which software has vulnerabilities and which software
> has had their vulnerabilities patched. It is quite simple to do the research
> from the search box.

Well, it's a PC! And provided the OS is kept up-to-date, use common sense,
a PC can be configured to withstand attacks.

> It now appears that by the end of the year --- many 3rd party solutions will
> be ending as well --- for Windows 98 Second Edition -- sad to say -- and I
> hope Microsoft will sell their 9x source code to DHS because we need all the
> help that we can get and it is such a loss not to take the full potential of
> an operating system that has its roots in Disk Operating System as a
> maintenance operating system at least until Microsoft is able to give us a
> viable replacement for the NT source code which users seem to forget was
> panned by early Microsoft Engineers as the inferior source code because of
> its lack of the internal safety of Disk Operating System.

As I said, you can configure NT based OS to your advantage.

> The needed solution to the industry's problems are a combination of closed
> and open source technologies that are needed for the future. The industry
> has recognized the threat posed by DNS Pollution. Unfortunately, the concern
> lies now mainly with the consumer practicing the proper methods and not just
> enabling remote source code to be viewed by default, reading all emails in
> plain text only at least initially to understand the threat matrix, keeping
> their machines fully patched, etc.

The technology is freely available.

> The needed solution, in my view for what it is worth, would be a NT external
> secure front (Vista), a 9x internal safety front (Windows 98 Second Edition)
> with open source solutions like Mozilla Firefox (2.0.x) with its 256 bit AES
> encryption even within Windows 98 Second Edition that Internet Explorer lacks
> with Windows XP Professional but has with Windows Vista Internet Explorer as
> well as using programs like SpywareBlaster that prevent baddies from even
> getting onto your computer. I think Gary S. Terhune, Chris Quirke, and
> Robear, all Microsoft MVP's are really good at understanding these areas.

They sure do. But even they have different views with respect to computer
'cum' Internet security and security related software. Sadly, not too many
advocating the use of LUA etc., oh well.

Cheers :-)

Posted by =?Utf-8?B?RGFu?= on August 19, 2008, 9:53 am
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Thanks for your reply, Kayman. I hope the future will include open and
closed source technologies with NT, 9x, Linux/Unix and we need solutions and
not more complaining. The thing is that Microsoft is the best one to rally
the troops and support this kind of leadership via a new source code. I can
only hope that this will be a reality someday but not in the case of Windows
7 apparently. <same old source code with new features -- it really is a
tired source code in my opinion for what little worth it is to so many>
Of course, 9x consumer source code is not geared for businesses and
networking and has less services so the hacking potential is much less as
well as not having remote access and other stuff that provides the larger
surface area of Windows 2000 and XP. Fortunately, Windows Vista is indeed
much stronger in external defense than 2000 and XP and with SP1 it is much
better in terms of backwards compatibility but I see Vista as still a work in
progress although it really is coming along great. My Ipod Mini 2nd
generation and using it with Windows Vista Home Premium 32 bit with SP1 and
fully updated now plays fine and did not play the Itunues originally until
the updates by Apple and Microsoft were provided.
Ubuntu Linux definately has potential for the future and I see it as an
exciting growth area.
Apple in my opinion has made me very annoyed because they continue to push
Safari which is a crappy web browser imo on Windows users willy nilly and
without any regard for their machines. In addition, Apple has tied Itunues
with Quicktime and you have to keep Quicktime if you want to use Itunes and
Quicktime keeps having security vulnerabilities. In addition, Apple
originally pushed Safari as an update when it was new software and Safari is
terrible and suffers from constant security vulnerabilities. Finally, Apple
also ties Bonjour in with Quicktime and Itunes and while not required is
annoying because it is just another avenue for a cyber hack and hopefully the
U.S. Justice Department will be willing to investigate Apple as they did to
Microsoft back in 1998 for anti-trust issues because if Microsoft was
anti-trust for tying Internet Explorer with Windows 98 then how much more is
Apple breaking user agreements by shoveling all their tied together junk down
Windows user's throats. grr, I just hope that someday Apple's pride will
lead to its being put in its place by the federal government because the
industry sometimes just cannot regulate itself.


"Kayman" wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:17:29 -0700, Dan wrote:
>
> > Thanks. I am using Windows 98 Second Edition on a daily basis now. I also
> > use Windows XP Professional and have briefly tried Ubuntu Linux. I have
> > Windows Vista Home Premium on another machine. I now know that Windows 98
> > Second Edition is a safe internal alternative because the most the bad guys
> > have been able to do to me so far is just the Denial of Service error and
> > that just makes me laugh since whoever the hackers were of the APS network,
> > they certainly appeared to know what they were looking for and how to get it
> > quickly but with 98 Second Edition all they could do was the Denial of
> > Service Error because 9x consumer source code is meant as a stand-a-lone
> > source code and not meant to be networked with lots of other machines and
> > that is why in my opinion it was a great lose for all of us not to have
> > Windows 98 Second Edition support from Microsoft anymore.
>
> I do banking and trade in stocks etc. and wouldn't feel safe using an
> unsupported and outdated operating system.
>
> > Heck, all anybody has to do is check out secunia.com and research the
> > vulnerabilities to see which software has vulnerabilities and which software
> > has had their vulnerabilities patched. It is quite simple to do the
research
> > from the search box.
>
> Well, it's a PC! And provided the OS is kept up-to-date, use common sense,
> a PC can be configured to withstand attacks.
>
> > It now appears that by the end of the year --- many 3rd party solutions will
> > be ending as well --- for Windows 98 Second Edition -- sad to say -- and I
> > hope Microsoft will sell their 9x source code to DHS because we need all the
> > help that we can get and it is such a loss not to take the full potential of
> > an operating system that has its roots in Disk Operating System as a
> > maintenance operating system at least until Microsoft is able to give us a
> > viable replacement for the NT source code which users seem to forget was
> > panned by early Microsoft Engineers as the inferior source code because of
> > its lack of the internal safety of Disk Operating System.
>
> As I said, you can configure NT based OS to your advantage.
>
> > The needed solution to the industry's problems are a combination of closed
> > and open source technologies that are needed for the future. The industry
> > has recognized the threat posed by DNS Pollution. Unfortunately, the
concern
> > lies now mainly with the consumer practicing the proper methods and not just
> > enabling remote source code to be viewed by default, reading all emails in
> > plain text only at least initially to understand the threat matrix, keeping
> > their machines fully patched, etc.
>
> The technology is freely available.
>
> > The needed solution, in my view for what it is worth, would be a NT external
> > secure front (Vista), a 9x internal safety front (Windows 98 Second Edition)
> > with open source solutions like Mozilla Firefox (2.0.x) with its 256 bit AES
> > encryption even within Windows 98 Second Edition that Internet Explorer
lacks
> > with Windows XP Professional but has with Windows Vista Internet Explorer as
> > well as using programs like SpywareBlaster that prevent baddies from even
> > getting onto your computer. I think Gary S. Terhune, Chris Quirke, and
> > Robear, all Microsoft MVP's are really good at understanding these areas.
>
> They sure do. But even they have different views with respect to computer
> 'cum' Internet security and security related software. Sadly, not too many
> advocating the use of LUA etc., oh well.
>
> Cheers :-)
>

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