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Posted by ~BD~ on July 27, 2008, 3:33 am
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You are right, of course, Paul. (You appreciate that you are PA too!! <grin>)
I had hoped you might have been able to respond to this item in that thread:
"I wonder if you can tell me why it is that if I type www.Aumha.com into my
browser address bar I'm whisked off to this URL -
http://downloadprograms.biz/?rid=544620 "
This is a technical question and should have a straight-forward answer.
Dave
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 08:08:19 +0100, ~BD~ wrote:
>
>> Maybe if you peruse this thread you'll have a better understanding!
>> Re: POSSIBLE HACK...PLEASE, PLEASE HELP! (Nine threads below this one!)
>
> I really have no desire to get involved in a discussion about Ahuma or any
> other forum. It doesn't belong here. If you and PA have a problem with each
> other then you should you take it out of here.
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> MVP - Identity Lifecycle Manager
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Posted by Shenan Stanley on July 27, 2008, 11:32 am
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<snipped>
~BD~ wrote:
> You are right, of course, Paul. (You appreciate that you are PA
> too!! <grin>)
> I had hoped you might have been able to respond to this item in
> that thread:
> "I wonder if you can tell me why it is that if I type www.Aumha.com
> into my browser address bar I'm whisked off to this URL -
> http://downloadprograms.biz/?rid=544620 "
> This is a technical question and should have a straight-forward
> answer.
Sure - which means you could research it and discover how domain names and
such work pretty easily using Google and other fine internet search
engines - where I am sure you could find a wealth of useful information.
Technical questions - when meant as technical questions - have answers you
can learn the answer to from books/published works - and in the case of a
technical 'Internet' question - searching for the answer on the Internet
would be a fine place to start...
First thing - whois on the web page in question:
http://reports.internic.net/cgi/whois?whois_nic=Aumha.com&type=domain
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=Aumha.com
Which gives you a link to:
http://search.yahoo.com/search/dir?p=AUMHA.COM
Which has a link to:
http://www.castlecops.com/a5944-F_Secure_Warns_Beware_How_You_Google.html
Which can be used to give you a timeframe for reference (Friday, 29 April
2005) although they have a site listed I know nothing about - makes me think
"typo in the warning message." However - for those who can realize that -
the search continues (unless you want to ask the non-technical question of
why "negster22" on "Friday, 29 April 2005" typed "Ahumha.org" instead of
"Aumha.org" in their posting as a warning to others?)
Knowing that aumha.org is the site you are referring to here (in reference
to you pointing to the following thread - the last (at this time) response
by you asking the question you repeat in partial above):
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.security/browse_frm/thread/816467d0f856cd80/a95d6909031bbe63?lnk=st&q=#a95d6909031bbe63
I'll get you a whois result for that web page as well:
http://reports.internic.net/cgi/whois?whois_nic=Aumha.org&type=domain
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=Aumha.org
The answer may or may not be technical. My bet is very much against it
being a technical answer that you would get if anyone cared to answer - and
I fully believe you likely know that and are asking the question as nothing
more than a rub. ;-)
Many people own just the .net, .com or .org representation of a given web
page. Either because they see no point in owning everything, doesn't feel
like paying for all of the different names each year, etc. Personal choice.
If you think of it as a name (which is what it is) - then it is completely
different than any other and if someone makes a mistake with the name - that
is their bad. If I call you Boater Dan - instead of Boater Dave - my bad.
Now you may wish to argue that the site is an important resource and should
have all the possible names someone could accidentally put in associated
with it. However - that's not even realistic in my opinion. After all -
the first link I came up with using your query (AUMHA.COM) had some person
asking about a situation and typing the actual web page address incorrectly
by *one letter* - should everyone purchase all the sites one letter off from
theirs so this mistake means nothing? If I call you Boater Davie - is that
the same person even? All that is different is the second (or last) name -
same as aumha.org vs aumha.com... And by even more letters than the mistake
made on the 3 year old posting I refer to.
Perhaps you are just trying to point out that they should - because of what
the site is supposed to represent - at least own all the domains (last
names, if you will) that someone could use. Not realistic for a place being
ran by an individual doing this because they desire to - not for profit - in
my opinion. Consider the cost of getting all available domains... .com,
.net, .mobi, .org, .us, .us.com, .info, .tv, .cc, .bz, .biz, .co.uk, all
come to mind, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. It could get quite
expensive very quickly to own all those names.
Here's a link to a list of top level domains...
http://data.iana.org/TLD/tlds-alpha-by-domain.txt
Not as well kept up - but another with more information behind each:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains
The .org (which the aumha.org site obviously uses) is one of the original
top-level domains. Read more about its original purpose and how that has
been modified over the years here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.org
Which can, specifically - lead you to this:
".org is one of the seven original "generic" Top Level Domains. It is
currently the Internet's fifth-largest TLD, with over two million
registrations worldwide. .org was originally intended as a "miscellaneous"
TLD for organizations that weren't commercial entities, educational
institutions, network providers, or governmental agencies. In recent years
registration in .org has become open and unrestricted (it will stay that way
under its new operator.)"
You seem to be essentially asking why the top-level domain being different
takes you to a site you did not expect to be taken to - and from your
postings, one could easily surmise you expected to be take to the one with
the .org top-level domain instead of where ever the .com top-level domain
version takes you.
The technical answer is easy:
Boater Dave and Boater Erik are different people - as denoted by their
different chosen 'surname' (if you will give the leeway that is a first and
last name.) No different here where aumha.org is different than aumha.com -
as denoted by their different top-level domain designation.
If you wish to go deeper and less technical - the owner of aumha.org is not
the owner of aumha.com. The owners of the two different sites have chosen
to point their individual sites to different name servers as well as have
different content. If you wish to specifically answer your question - you
must ask the proper people.
In this case, given your exact question wording and the information above,
specifically...
"I wonder if you can tell me why it is that if I type www.Aumha.com into my
browser address bar I'm whisked off to this URL -
http://downloadprograms.biz/?rid=544620 ?"
along with :
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=Aumha.com
The answer to your 'technical' query will come from asking
domainadmin@navigationcatalyst.com - if they feel like answering why they
pointed their given web page the way they have. After all - your query is,
per the wording, about the aumha.com address - which they
(navigationcatalyst.com) own and according to the whois - administer (decide
what is done with it.)
Ask yourself if you would ask the same gist of a question while looking
through a telephone directory for a large city: "Why is it when you call
the listing for "Dave Peterson", you get a different person answering the
phone than when you call "Dave McCraw"?" ;-)
--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
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How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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Posted by ~BD~ on July 27, 2008, 1:21 pm
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really do appreciate your guidance!
When I googled ............. I ended up here:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=aumha.com&btnG=Google+Search
The first result is www.minscape.com If I type that into my address bar,
or follow the link, I get taken to exactly the same place as if I type in
Aumha.com. Hmmmm!
The fourth entry is Naive question about a URL - Malwarebytes Security
Forums posted by me to determine alternate views. You may be interested to
follow up on this.
My only concern is that the bad guys don't win. I believe you feel the same
way.
Dave
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Posted by Shenan Stanley on July 27, 2008, 2:03 pm
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<snipped>
> When I googled ............. I ended up here:
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=aumha.com&btnG=Google+Search
>
> The first result is www.minscape.com If I type that into my
> address bar, or follow the link, I get taken to exactly the same
> place as if I type in Aumha.com. Hmmmm!
<snipped>
The second link found in your given search (above) is more interesting to
me...
http://www.robtex.com/dns/aumha.com.html
Really lays out more detail.
Another link found shows that people have made this 'typo' for years...
http://forums.cnet.com/5208-7813_102-0.html?forumID=6&threadID=24370&messageID=267140
( 5/31/04 )
Also - this hosts file:
http://hosts-file.net/hphosts-partial.asp
Distributed by the owners of this page:
http://hosts-file.net/
Includes aumha.com in their list (as well as www.aumha.com) and more
information on that is something they *do* give:
http://hosts-file.net/?s=aumha.com
http://hosts-file.net/?s=www.aumha.com
Those sites were added for a specific reason to that HOSTS file...
"GRM - sites engaged in astroturfing otherwise known as grass roots
marketing
For full details on what constitues astroturfing, please see;
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Astroturfing"
In any case - hopefull you can reason out that the owner of a site has no
obligation to purchase/create every iteration of their site name -
especially when it comes to .org sites in my humble opinion and also when it
comes to top-level domain differentiation. I know many "Dave's" in my life
outside these newsgroups. When I call them up, email them, go out with
them - I'm pretty sure it is not you. ;-)
Another example of a good site people could type in incorrectly and get to
something they were not expecting...
http://www.betanews.com/
http://www.betanews.org/
What does it all mean? People should be more careful. ;-)
--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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Posted by ~BD~ on July 27, 2008, 2:30 pm
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Here is a stab! http://www.weirdity.com/internet/eoti.html
Dave
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