Dicussion on where RADIUS server should be

Dicussion on where RADIUS server should be

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Dicussion on where RADIUS server should be Marlon 06-16-2005
Posted by Marlon on June 16, 2005, 12:51 pm
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All network diagrams I've seen so far indicates that a RADIUS server
(Windows IAS, ACS, or whatever) should be placed in the 'internal' network
and establish communications with DC's there. Then if an external user
attempts to connect via VPN (DMZ), then I would allow only the ports
necessary from the VPN concentrator to the RADIUS server and
pre-authenticate users at that point.

I have a security guy fellow here that tells me that the RADIUS server
should be placed in the "DMZ" instead. Does this make sense at all ?



Posted by Phillip Windell on June 16, 2005, 1:07 pm
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I would say it goes on the Internal side. But it may make a difference if
you are talking about a MS Based RADIUS Server or one from a third party.
Also, as with most things,...there is probably more than one way to do it.
You would have to analyse the pros and cons of each method and decide which
is more appropriate in a particular given situation.

Just beware of the excessive "paranoia" of some people,...they can lead you
down a long winding complex path "in the name of security" that does nothing
more than make things so overly complex that you can not manage the
system,...or worse yet, don't understand the system. This in itself can
cause you to make mistakes which create even more new "risks" besides the
ones your were trying to avoid in the first place. Stay within your
"means", stay within what you can understand and manage dependably.


--

Phillip Windell [MCP, MVP, CCNA]
www.wandtv.com


> All network diagrams I've seen so far indicates that a RADIUS server
> (Windows IAS, ACS, or whatever) should be placed in the 'internal' network
> and establish communications with DC's there. Then if an external user
> attempts to connect via VPN (DMZ), then I would allow only the ports
> necessary from the VPN concentrator to the RADIUS server and
> pre-authenticate users at that point.
>
> I have a security guy fellow here that tells me that the RADIUS server
> should be placed in the "DMZ" instead. Does this make sense at all ?
>
>



Posted by Imhotep on June 16, 2005, 2:06 pm
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Marlon wrote:

> All network diagrams I've seen so far indicates that a RADIUS server
> (Windows IAS, ACS, or whatever) should be placed in the 'internal' network
> and establish communications with DC's there. Then if an external user
> attempts to connect via VPN (DMZ), then I would allow only the ports
> necessary from the VPN concentrator to the RADIUS server and
> pre-authenticate users at that point.
>
> I have a security guy fellow here that tells me that the RADIUS server
> should be placed in the "DMZ" instead. Does this make sense at all ?

As a general rule your authentication server (Radius, Tacacs, etc) SHOULD be
internal. Why? Because you really want to protect (and tightly restrict
control) this server from being hacked....Losing your Radius server would
be a disaster!

Now if your security guy is saying something like "we will put the Radius
server in it's own DMZ (ie by itself) and strictly control access to it,
this is not a bad idea.

Remember a couple of things about Radius, communications (sessions) are NOT
encrypted (ie can be sniffed). I would highly recommend using TACACS++
instead of Radius...I would also suggest not using the domain passwords for
your external (VPN) access. I would suggest using keyfobs instead. Why?
Because this would give multiple layers of security and force a
hacker/cracker to crack two accounts per person before getting full access.
This also allows you to protect your self from weak user passwords, etc,
etc....


-Imhotep

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