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Defender Beta 2 ----- NEEDS SOME ATTENTION lfessler 06-24-2006
Posted by =?Utf-8?B?bGZlc3NsZXI=?= on June 24, 2006, 5:01 pm
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At this point, great program and I love it EXCEPT FOR ------ Why does it not
catch and stop adware, and the other types of low lovel junk that likes to
watch what you do on the Internet???????

Once a week I crank up my Spy Sweeper and run it and I always come up with
12-15 cookies that are the same each week and in my opinion that type of junk
should be stopped by Defender. Before I shut off Spy Sweeper and stopped it
from runnning in the background that program always stopped that type of
stuff !!!!!!

Yes I know it is Beta, but come on MS this is now part of OneCare Live to
which I have a paid one year subscription to and Defender is still not
catching and stoping these cookies from these very basic annoying types of
adware and what ever the other stuff is called.

If Defender is not going to stop this stuff/junk then will MS change the
program so I can run Spy Sweeper all of the time to catch and stop this stuff
and not cause a conflict with Defender and OneCare.

Maybe MVP Bill Sanderson would be kind enough to way in on this, if so thank
you very much Bill for any comments/background that you may be able to
provide.
--
Larry D

Posted by Malke on June 24, 2006, 5:29 pm
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lfessler wrote:

> At this point, great program and I love it EXCEPT FOR ------ Why does it
> not
> catch and stop adware, and the other types of low lovel junk that likes
> to watch what you do on the Internet???????

(snip - wrong newsgroup)

You gave a lot of thought to that post, but you should repost it in one of
the newsgroups for this beta program so it will be seen by the people who
matter. This newsgroup - microsoft.public.security - is not one of the
groups set up for Windows Defender and is not being actively monitored by
MS for comments such as yours. Don't let your good ideas go to waste!

See:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/newsgroups/default.mspx

These newsgroups can be accessed via NNTP or HTTP.

To access these newsgroups using NNTP, please use the following information
for your NNTP client (such as Microsoft Outlook Express):

- NNTP Server: privatenews.microsoft.com
- Account name: privatenews\spyware
- Password: spyware

NOTE: No password will be required via the HTTP link.

Malke
--
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic"

Posted by =?Utf-8?B?bGZlc3NsZXI=?= on June 25, 2006, 8:38 am
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Thank you very much ----- I will. This just plain is not right and if
companies like Webfoot and Lavasoft can do it, certainly MS can !!!!!
--
Larry D


"Malke" wrote:

> lfessler wrote:
>
> > At this point, great program and I love it EXCEPT FOR ------ Why does it
> > not
> > catch and stop adware, and the other types of low lovel junk that likes
> > to watch what you do on the Internet???????
>
> (snip - wrong newsgroup)
>
> You gave a lot of thought to that post, but you should repost it in one of
> the newsgroups for this beta program so it will be seen by the people who
> matter. This newsgroup - microsoft.public.security - is not one of the
> groups set up for Windows Defender and is not being actively monitored by
> MS for comments such as yours. Don't let your good ideas go to waste!
>
> See:
>
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/newsgroups/default.mspx
>
> These newsgroups can be accessed via NNTP or HTTP.
>
> To access these newsgroups using NNTP, please use the following information
> for your NNTP client (such as Microsoft Outlook Express):
>
> - NNTP Server: privatenews.microsoft.com
> - Account name: privatenews\spyware
> - Password: spyware
>
> NOTE: No password will be required via the HTTP link.
>
> Malke
> --
> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic"
>

Posted by Shenan Stanley on June 25, 2006, 12:38 pm
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lfessler wrote:
> At this point, great program and I love it EXCEPT FOR ------ Why
> does it not
> catch and stop adware, and the other types of low lovel junk
> that likes to watch what you do on the Internet???????
> (snip - wrong newsgroup)

Malke wrote:
> You gave a lot of thought to that post, but you should repost it
> in one of the newsgroups for this beta program so it will be seen
> by the people who matter. This newsgroup -
> microsoft.public.security - is not one of the groups set up for
> Windows Defender and is not being actively monitored by MS for
> comments such as yours. Don't let your good ideas go to waste!
>
> See:
>
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/newsgroups/default.mspx
>
> These newsgroups can be accessed via NNTP or HTTP.

lfessler wrote:
> Thank you very much ----- I will. This just plain is not right and
> if companies like Webfoot and Lavasoft can do it, certainly MS can
> !!!!!

Why?
Just because one entity can do it does *not* mean someone else can do it (as
well.)

There's something to be said for "specialties".
A company only makes itself weaker when they start expanding too far beyond
their "specialties", IMHO.

Sure - Microsoft writes the OS that many people use - and this software may
have to run on top off said OS - so Microsoft *might* have an advantage in
that they know (have access to) all the code that is in the base platform -
but maybe not.

At this point - and they have been testing it for quite a while - I would
say that Microsoft's Antivirus and AntiSpyware offerings have a LONG way to
go to even come close to LavaSoft AdAware SE, Spybot S&D, SpywareBlaster,
IE-SpyAD and so on - and those are free.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html



Posted by Robert Moir on June 25, 2006, 11:13 am
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lfessler wrote:
> At this point, great program and I love it EXCEPT FOR ------ Why does
> it not catch and stop adware, and the other types of low lovel junk
> that likes to watch what you do on the Internet???????
>
> Once a week I crank up my Spy Sweeper and run it and I always come up
> with 12-15 cookies that are the same each week and in my opinion that
> type of junk should be stopped by Defender. Before I shut off Spy
> Sweeper and stopped it from runnning in the background that program
> always stopped that type of stuff !!!!!!
>
> Yes I know it is Beta, but come on MS this is now part of OneCare
> Live to which I have a paid one year subscription to and Defender is
> still not catching and stoping these cookies from these very basic
> annoying types of adware and what ever the other stuff is called.
>

Well there is a school of thought that says that tracking cookies are very
different things from spyware, and hence are not really terribly suitable to
be deleted by a spyware program.

Let me put it this way: If no spyware scanner anywhere ever detected these
cookies because they all agreed that cookies are not spyware, would they
still bother you? Or do they bother you because a spyware program nags you
to remove them?

I'm not trying to start an argument here; I'm not sure I agree with the
theory I mention above myself, to be honest. But it is a valid point and
I'm just trying to explain what I was told is the reasoning behind defender
not touching cookies.

--
--
Rob Moir, Microsoft MVP for Security
Blog Site - http://www.robertmoir.com
Virtual PC 2004 FAQ - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk/win/VirtualPC2004FAQ.html
I'm always surprised at "professionals" who STILL have to be asked:
"Have you checked (event viewer / syslog)".



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