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Biometrics Dan 07-12-2008
---> Re: Biometrics Juergen Nievele...07-14-2008
Posted by ~BD~ on July 13, 2008, 5:30 pm
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You're welcome, Dan

>I do volunteer work for US-Cert and so I must go through the proper
>channels.
> Thanks for your feedback anyway, BD.



Posted by Juergen Nieveler on July 14, 2008, 3:52 am
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> How secure and safe is biometric technology? The reason I bring this
> up is because I was able to log in using my finger with a band-aid
> attached and this definitely makes me question the security and safety
> of biometric technology at least as far as laptops go. I imagine
> there probably is lots of articles on this already but I wanted the
> opinions of this newsgroup. Thanks in advance for the replies.

If this was one of those fingerprint readers where you simply put your
finger on (as opposed to those where you rub your finger along the
contact plate in a swipe motion), chances are that the camera inside
picked up the latent fingerprint that was still on the glass - this is
a common vulnerability of those cheap camera-based readers. All they do
is notice "Oh, something is pushing on the glass, and I recognise the
pattern" - if the person who last used it had greasy fingers, the
fingerprint would still be on the glass, so putting something on the
glass that doesn't have OTHER fingerprints will force the camera to use
the weak fingerprint image still visible to it...

The swipe-type readers are safer in that there can't be an image left
on the reader... but many of them still can be fooled by a fake
fingerprint made by taking the fingerprint off something somebody
touched (lots of how-to's available for that...).

Juergen Nieveler
--
A feature is a bug with seniority.

Posted by =?Utf-8?B?RGFu?= on July 15, 2008, 5:27 pm
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Bingo! You solved the issue and yes it is one of those cheap fingerprint
scanners where you just swipe your finger so it must have already had the
image of my fingerprint on the scanner. It sounds like someone would need to
clean the fingerprint scanner each time and it does indeed seem very easy to
fool. So much for the security of Biometrics at least cheap Biometric devices

"Juergen Nieveler" wrote:

>
> > How secure and safe is biometric technology? The reason I bring this
> > up is because I was able to log in using my finger with a band-aid
> > attached and this definitely makes me question the security and safety
> > of biometric technology at least as far as laptops go. I imagine
> > there probably is lots of articles on this already but I wanted the
> > opinions of this newsgroup. Thanks in advance for the replies.
>
> If this was one of those fingerprint readers where you simply put your
> finger on (as opposed to those where you rub your finger along the
> contact plate in a swipe motion), chances are that the camera inside
> picked up the latent fingerprint that was still on the glass - this is
> a common vulnerability of those cheap camera-based readers. All they do
> is notice "Oh, something is pushing on the glass, and I recognise the
> pattern" - if the person who last used it had greasy fingers, the
> fingerprint would still be on the glass, so putting something on the
> glass that doesn't have OTHER fingerprints will force the camera to use
> the weak fingerprint image still visible to it...
>
> The swipe-type readers are safer in that there can't be an image left
> on the reader... but many of them still can be fooled by a fake
> fingerprint made by taking the fingerprint off something somebody
> touched (lots of how-to's available for that...).
>
> Juergen Nieveler
> --
> A feature is a bug with seniority.
>

Posted by Juergen Nieveler on July 16, 2008, 6:02 am
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> Bingo! You solved the issue and yes it is one of those cheap
> fingerprint scanners where you just swipe your finger so it must have
> already had the image of my fingerprint on the scanner. It sounds
> like someone would need to clean the fingerprint scanner each time and
> it does indeed seem very easy to fool. So much for the security of
> Biometrics at least cheap Biometric devices

There's a reason why Microsoft warns not to use their fingerprint
reader for any security-sensitive stuff, it won't allow you to log on
to a domain, for example...

Juergen Nieveler
--
Line noise provided by German Telekom!

Posted by =?Utf-8?B?RGFu?= on July 16, 2008, 11:20 pm
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Exactly. Thank you for your feedback.

"Juergen Nieveler" wrote:

>
> > Bingo! You solved the issue and yes it is one of those cheap
> > fingerprint scanners where you just swipe your finger so it must have
> > already had the image of my fingerprint on the scanner. It sounds
> > like someone would need to clean the fingerprint scanner each time and
> > it does indeed seem very easy to fool. So much for the security of
> > Biometrics at least cheap Biometric devices
>
> There's a reason why Microsoft warns not to use their fingerprint
> reader for any security-sensitive stuff, it won't allow you to log on
> to a domain, for example...
>
> Juergen Nieveler
> --
> Line noise provided by German Telekom!
>

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