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128 bit password kenitaali 05-07-2007
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Posted by on May 7, 2007, 7:43 am
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Hi,

If a password is for example 128bit, how long is it in characters (a-z
& A-Z)?
How can i calculate this?

If the password is "THISisMYpassword". How many bit password is it?


Posted by S. Pidgorny on May 7, 2007, 8:15 am
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a-z and A-Z in total is 52 characters in total; 6 bits are required to
represent those (and numbers); therefore 128 bit will be 21 1/3 characters.

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> Hi,
>
> If a password is for example 128bit, how long is it in characters (a-z
> & A-Z)?
> How can i calculate this?
>
> If the password is "THISisMYpassword". How many bit password is it?
>



Posted by Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM on May 7, 2007, 9:21 am
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> Hi,
>
> If a password is for example 128bit, how long is it in characters (a-z
> & A-Z)?
> How can i calculate this?
>
> If the password is "THISisMYpassword". How many bit password is it?
>

I think you're misinterpreting something. 128-bit security has nothing to
do with the length of the password. It's the level of coding the security
uses, to try to express it simply. But to take your question literally, the
password if we store the password as 8-bit bytes it would be 14 characters,
but usually it is encrypted before storing.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com




Posted by Roger Abell [MVP] on May 8, 2007, 9:17 pm
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>> Hi,
>>
>> If a password is for example 128bit, how long is it in characters (a-z
>> & A-Z)?
>> How can i calculate this?
>>
>> If the password is "THISisMYpassword". How many bit password is it?
>>
>
> I think you're misinterpreting something. 128-bit security has nothing to
> do with the length of the password. It's the level of coding the security
> uses, to try to express it simply. But to take your question literally,
> the password if we store the password as 8-bit bytes it would be 14
> characters, but usually it is encrypted before storing.
>
> --
> Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
> http://www.fjsmjs.com
>

Didn't Windows change to use of Unicode from Ascii for passwords
some time back, IIRC when the length was greatly increased in the
NT4 to W2k transition? If so, then these are 16 bit chars.

However, prior comments are right on. There is probably some
confusion here between cipher key lengths, password hashes as
stored, and passwords.

Roger



Posted by Joe Richards [MVP] on May 9, 2007, 10:39 pm
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Last I checked, you have 256 bytes available which could be 256 ANSI
characters or 128 2-Byte Unicode.

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Joe Richards Microsoft MVP Windows Server Directory Services
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Roger Abell [MVP] wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> If a password is for example 128bit, how long is it in characters (a-z
>>> & A-Z)?
>>> How can i calculate this?
>>>
>>> If the password is "THISisMYpassword". How many bit password is it?
>>>
>> I think you're misinterpreting something. 128-bit security has nothing to
>> do with the length of the password. It's the level of coding the security
>> uses, to try to express it simply. But to take your question literally,
>> the password if we store the password as 8-bit bytes it would be 14
>> characters, but usually it is encrypted before storing.
>>
>> --
>> Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
>> http://www.fjsmjs.com
>>
>
> Didn't Windows change to use of Unicode from Ascii for passwords
> some time back, IIRC when the length was greatly increased in the
> NT4 to W2k transition? If so, then these are 16 bit chars.
>
> However, prior comments are right on. There is probably some
> confusion here between cipher key lengths, password hashes as
> stored, and passwords.
>
> Roger
>
>

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