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hard drives dying JB 12-02-2005
Posted by JB on December 2, 2005, 6:08 am
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Hello.
Can a virus render a hard drive 'useless'? So that you can't boot WindowsXp
or recover with any bootdisks?
And can it be totally undetected?

My laptop suddenly switched itself off and after numerous attempts just
comes up with
"No hard drive detected"
A week later my son's tower PC (winK) was playing up, then one day would not
reboot, saying disc sector corrupt. We had to pay an arm and a leg to a tech
to recover all his work and get a new hard drive.
Now my beloved PC is gone weird. Everything to do with start-up, taskbar and
system is taking around 10 minutes. It's not hanging, it's like in slow
motion.
It takes 40 minutes to reboot.
I am paranoid that it's also going to go. BUT the laptop was very old, my
son's PC not as well taken care of, Both those machines were running McAfee
9 but new subscription were 2 weeks overdue.
Whereas my machine is a year and a half old, it is treasured and has ALL
the right protection, McAfee security suite, SpyDoctor, MSAntispy, (which
have all come up with 0 when doing scans)
I can't believe that it can be coincidence.
But if I have all this protection, how can it be a virus!!?
Any advice please,
Jen




Posted by Malke on December 2, 2005, 8:01 am
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JB wrote:

> Hello.
> Can a virus render a hard drive 'useless'? So that you can't boot
> WindowsXp or recover with any bootdisks?
> And can it be totally undetected?
>
> My laptop suddenly switched itself off and after numerous attempts
> just comes up with
> "No hard drive detected"
> A week later my son's tower PC (winK) was playing up, then one day
> would not reboot, saying disc sector corrupt. We had to pay an arm and
> a leg to a tech to recover all his work and get a new hard drive.
> Now my beloved PC is gone weird. Everything to do with start-up,
> taskbar and system is taking around 10 minutes. It's not hanging, it's
> like in slow motion.
> It takes 40 minutes to reboot.
> I am paranoid that it's also going to go. BUT the laptop was very old,
> my son's PC not as well taken care of, Both those machines were
> running McAfee 9 but new subscription were 2 weeks overdue.
> Whereas my machine is a year and a half old, it is treasured and has
> ALL the right protection, McAfee security suite, SpyDoctor, MSAntispy,
> (which have all come up with 0 when doing scans)
> I can't believe that it can be coincidence.
> But if I have all this protection, how can it be a virus!!?
> Any advice please,
> Jen

Coincidence is a funny thing. From your description of the problem on
your machine, it does not sound like your machine has a viral problem
but rather is having hardware problems. The newness of it is
irrelevant. It sounds like it might have been overheating, or the power
supply is failing. Since it is new, call the mftr.'s tech support or
take it to a local professional. You might also want to check your
electrical setup at your house. If you do not have an Uninterruptible
Power Supply (UPS), consider getting one. You can buy these at your
local computer store and a decent one for home use is under $100. APC
is a well-known mftr. of UPS's.

General hardware troubleshooting:

1) Open the computer and run it open, cleaning out all dust bunnies and
observing all fans (overheating will cause system freezing). Obviously
you can't do this with a laptop, but you can hear if the fan is running
and feel if the laptop is getting too hot.

2) Test the RAM - I like Memtest86+ from www.memtest.org. Obviously, you
have to get the program from a working machine. You will either
download the precompiled Windows binary to make a bootable floppy or
the .iso to make a bootable cd. If you want to use the latter, you'll
need to have third-party burning software on the machine where you
download the file - XP's built-in burning capability won't do the job.
In either case, boot with the media you made. The test will run
immediately. Let the test run for an hour or two - unless errors are
seen immediately. If you get any errors, replace the RAM.

3) Test the hard drive with a diagnostic utility from the mftr. Download
the file and make a bootable floppy or cd with it. Boot with the media
and do a thorough test. If the drive has physical errors, replace it.

4) The power supply may be going bad or be inadequate for the devices
you have in the system. The adequacy issue doesn't really apply to a
laptop, although of course the power supply can be faulty.

5) Test the motherboard with something like TuffTest from
www.tufftest.com. Sometimes this is useful, and sometimes it isn't.

Testing hardware failures often involves swapping out suspected parts
with known-good parts. If you can't do the testing yourself and/or are
uncomfortable opening your computer, take the machine to a professional
computer repair shop (not your local equivalent of BigStoreUSA).

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Posted by David H. Lipman on December 2, 2005, 9:24 am
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| Hello.
| Can a virus render a hard drive 'useless'? So that you can't boot WindowsXp
| or recover with any bootdisks?
| And can it be totally undetected?
|
| My laptop suddenly switched itself off and after numerous attempts just
| comes up with
| "No hard drive detected"
| A week later my son's tower PC (winK) was playing up, then one day would not
| reboot, saying disc sector corrupt. We had to pay an arm and a leg to a tech
| to recover all his work and get a new hard drive.
| Now my beloved PC is gone weird. Everything to do with start-up, taskbar and
| system is taking around 10 minutes. It's not hanging, it's like in slow
| motion.
| It takes 40 minutes to reboot.
| I am paranoid that it's also going to go. BUT the laptop was very old, my
| son's PC not as well taken care of, Both those machines were running McAfee
| 9 but new subscription were 2 weeks overdue.
| Whereas my machine is a year and a half old, it is treasured and has ALL
| the right protection, McAfee security suite, SpyDoctor, MSAntispy, (which
| have all come up with 0 when doing scans)
| I can't believe that it can be coincidence.
| But if I have all this protection, how can it be a virus!!?
| Any advice please,
| Jen
|

Go to the hard disk manufacturer's web site and download their diagnostic
software
respective to your hard disk. After the test, you will know if the hard disk is
bad or
not..

Quantum/Maxtor - PowerMax
http://www.maxtor.com/en/support/downloads/powermax.htm

Western Digital - Data LifeGuard Tools (DLGDiag)
http://support.wdc.com/download/

Hitachi/IBM - Drive Fitness Test (DFT)
http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/download.htm

Seagate - SeaTools
http://www.seagate.com/support/seatools/

Fujitsu - Diagnostic Tool
http://www.fcpa.com/download/hard-drives/

Samsung - Disk manager
http://www.samsung.com/Products/HardDiskDrive/utilities/shdiag.htm


--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



Posted by JB on December 2, 2005, 2:22 pm
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Hi. Brick wall every step.
HD is Maxtor. Downloaded and put on floppy as instructed but when I reboot,
it says incorrect system disk, remove and press any key.
:(



>
> | Hello.
> | Can a virus render a hard drive 'useless'? So that you can't boot
> WindowsXp
> | or recover with any bootdisks?
> | And can it be totally undetected?
> |
> | My laptop suddenly switched itself off and after numerous attempts just
> | comes up with
> | "No hard drive detected"
> | A week later my son's tower PC (winK) was playing up, then one day would
> not
> | reboot, saying disc sector corrupt. We had to pay an arm and a leg to a
> tech
> | to recover all his work and get a new hard drive.
> | Now my beloved PC is gone weird. Everything to do with start-up, taskbar
> and
> | system is taking around 10 minutes. It's not hanging, it's like in slow
> | motion.
> | It takes 40 minutes to reboot.
> | I am paranoid that it's also going to go. BUT the laptop was very old,
> my
> | son's PC not as well taken care of, Both those machines were running
> McAfee
> | 9 but new subscription were 2 weeks overdue.
> | Whereas my machine is a year and a half old, it is treasured and has
> ALL
> | the right protection, McAfee security suite, SpyDoctor, MSAntispy,
> (which
> | have all come up with 0 when doing scans)
> | I can't believe that it can be coincidence.
> | But if I have all this protection, how can it be a virus!!?
> | Any advice please,
> | Jen
> |
>
> Go to the hard disk manufacturer's web site and download their diagnostic
> software
> respective to your hard disk. After the test, you will know if the hard
> disk is bad or
> not..
>
> Quantum/Maxtor - PowerMax
> http://www.maxtor.com/en/support/downloads/powermax.htm
>
> Western Digital - Data LifeGuard Tools (DLGDiag)
> http://support.wdc.com/download/
>
> Hitachi/IBM - Drive Fitness Test (DFT)
> http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/download.htm
>
> Seagate - SeaTools
> http://www.seagate.com/support/seatools/
>
> Fujitsu - Diagnostic Tool
> http://www.fcpa.com/download/hard-drives/
>
> Samsung - Disk manager
> http://www.samsung.com/Products/HardDiskDrive/utilities/shdiag.htm
>
>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
>
>



Posted by David H. Lipman on December 2, 2005, 2:33 pm
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| Hi. Brick wall every step.
| HD is Maxtor. Downloaded and put on floppy as instructed but when I reboot,
| it says incorrect system disk, remove and press any key.
| :(

It can't boot off the floppy disk ?

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



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