Which processes are legitimate?

Which processes are legitimate?

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Which processes are legitimate? SANTANDER 06-25-2008
Posted by SANTANDER on June 30, 2008, 9:36 am
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> wrote:
>
>>
>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:09:16 +0300, "SANTANDER"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >What is strange, there is 4 running svchost.exe processes..
>>>
>>> Not strange at all. Svchost.exe is the service executive. It's the
>>> process
>>> that starts service processes. (RPC, DNS, Auto update, windows audio,
>>etc.)
>>> There are several instances of it depending on the configuration of the
>>> machine and the kinds of services that are started.
>>>
>>> As for validating executables, see www.sysinternals.com for process
>>> utilities like Process Explorer that can check for signed code from
>>> Microsoft and others.
>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx
>>>
>>> Be aware, not all Microsoft code is signed but they have been making
>>> great
>>> strides in signing their code. Just be careful and don't delete a
>>> suspect
>>> binary just because it's not signed.
>>>
>>> Autoruns, another good tool from the same place also verifies signed
>>> code
>>> and allows easy access to the registry keys and binary files.
>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx
>>>
>>> Sysinternals was bought out and merged with Microsoft but Mark and Bryce
>>> still develop the products.
>>------------
>>
>>Very helpful utilities. I want check drivers. I just run a console tool
>>that
>>list all drivers installed in my system; 124 drivers where detected. Does
>>it
>>possible check whether all of the drivers are legitimate or not?
>>
>>Thanks.
>
> You're welcome.
>
> It's very difficult to know for sure which drivers are legitimate.
> Autoruns
> will verify signatures but if the publisher doesn't sign the code then
> this
> method fails and you have to look into each driver and evaluate it
> yourself. Many driver vendors don't sign their code. There is no sure tool
> that I am aware of that will validate a driver automatically without some
> kind of code signature. The Drivers tab of Autoruns will list all your
> drivers.
>
> As far as malware or viruses are concerned, your principle indicators will
> be:
>
> 1. Strange behavior of computer.
> 2. Strange filename or location of executable.
> 3. Lack of publisher name.
> 4. Not signed.
> 5. Program or driver phones home or accesses TCP/IP.
> 6. Executable is compressed or obfuscated.
> 7. Multiple instances of the binary of the same length, same date/time
> under different names in the system32/ or system32/drivers file with very
> strange version information blocks.
>
> You cannot effectively use the filename alone as an indicator.
>
> Using Autoruns or Process Explorer you can search online (google) by
> selecting the item and hitting ctrl-M. This presents a list of hits that
> you can research. Very handy. Of course, some of what is written about
> some
> of these files is written by non-experts or the occasional troll, so you
> must judge what is reasonable, valid information.
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Just tried Process Explorer, does it show hidden DLLs that possibly can
loaded inside explorer.exe process?

Some processes displayed by Process Explorer not fully clear:
process PID Description

System 4

what is 'System' process with PID 4?
Process Explorer show System Idle Process take 98.46 percent. Why so many?

Is there similar security tools that can work on win98?

Thanks.


Posted by Geoff on June 30, 2008, 10:46 am
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wrote:

>
>Just tried Process Explorer, does it show hidden DLLs that possibly can
>loaded inside explorer.exe process?
>

It shows every process. AFAIK, nothing can hide from it.

>Some processes displayed by Process Explorer not fully clear:
>process PID Description
>
>System 4
>
>what is 'System' process with PID 4?

System is the Windows NT kernel. Don't poke at it. It is essential for
proper operation of your system. System is the owner of all other processes
and drivers in the computer.

>Process Explorer show System Idle Process take 98.46 percent. Why so many?
>

Every multitasking system has an Idle process. This is the task that is run
when other tasks are not running. It is the lowest priority task. It gets
all CPU time remaining that is not "other processes". Windows NT Idle
process runs when all other scheduled processes have returned control to
the OS. It does some very basic Windows housekeeping and then a halt
instruction. The CPU wakes up and exits the idle process on the next kernel
interrupt and proceeds to other tasks.

>Is there similar security tools that can work on win98?
>

Process Explorer works on Windows 98. I don't use 98 anymore so I don't
know what is available.

Posted by SANTANDER on June 30, 2008, 12:05 pm
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> wrote:
>
>>
>>Just tried Process Explorer, does it show hidden DLLs that possibly can
>>loaded inside explorer.exe process?
>>
>
> It shows every process. AFAIK, nothing can hide from it.
>
>>Some processes displayed by Process Explorer not fully clear:
>>process PID Description
>>
>>System 4
>>
>>what is 'System' process with PID 4?
>
> System is the Windows NT kernel. Don't poke at it. It is essential for
> proper operation of your system. System is the owner of all other
> processes
> and drivers in the computer.
>
>>Process Explorer show System Idle Process take 98.46 percent. Why so many?
>>
>
> Every multitasking system has an Idle process. This is the task that is
> run
> when other tasks are not running. It is the lowest priority task. It gets
> all CPU time remaining that is not "other processes". Windows NT Idle
> process runs when all other scheduled processes have returned control to
> the OS. It does some very basic Windows housekeeping and then a halt
> instruction. The CPU wakes up and exits the idle process on the next
> kernel
> interrupt and proceeds to other tasks.
>
>>Is there similar security tools that can work on win98?
>>
>
> Process Explorer works on Windows 98. I don't use 98 anymore so I don't
> know what is available.
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just to clarify, when show Task Manager show CPU 98, it seems not the
percents, CPU Usage shown below is 7-8%.
Process Explorer does NOT work on Windows 98, I tried (though I read
somewhere that it works on Win98). When executed, it show the timer some
time(that take some pause more than normally), but no GUI shown. I just end
it via Task manager.


Posted by Geoff on June 30, 2008, 12:56 pm
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wrote:

>just to clarify, when show Task Manager show CPU 98, it seems not the
>percents, CPU Usage shown below is 7-8%.

Utilization is measured as any process running that is not Idle time.
IdleTime + SumOfAllProcessTime = 100%

Percent of time spent in idle is non-utilized time but Taskman and PE will
show the percentage of time spent in idle vs. other tasks.

>Process Explorer does NOT work on Windows 98, I tried (though I read
>somewhere that it works on Win98). When executed, it show the timer some
>time(that take some pause more than normally), but no GUI shown. I just end
>it via Task manager.

News to me. PE's help file says it supports all OS but maybe that only
applied for older versions of PE and they never updated the help file or
perhaps there is a different download version for 9x/Me.

From help:

"Process Explorer does not require administrative privileges to run and
works on Windows 9x/Me, Windows NT 4.0, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Server
2003, Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008 and on the x64 version of 64-bit
Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows Server 2003, and Windows Server 2008."


Posted by David H. Lipman on June 30, 2008, 4:54 pm
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| wrote:


>>Just tried Process Explorer, does it show hidden DLLs that possibly can
>>loaded inside explorer.exe process?


| It shows every process. AFAIK, nothing can hide from it.


That is NOT true. Many forms of malware can use low level Win32/Win64
programming
constructs that can indeed hide the process form usitlities like Process
Explorer. This
is where a anti RootKit utility such as Gmer is useful. Additionally, Process
Explorer
will not identify files that are stored using the Alternate Data Streams (ADS)
capabailities of NTFS.

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--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp



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