Trojans(?)

Secure Home | Search | About

Lost Password?

Microsoft Antivirus Discussions

get this group's latest topics as an RSS feed

add this group's latest topics to your My MSN content

add this group's latest topics to your My Yahoo content

add this group's latest topics to your Google content

Subject

Author

Date

Trojans(?)

wipeout64@hotmail.com

01-13-2008

David H. Lipman

wipeout64@hotma...

David H. Lipman

wipeout64@hotma...

Posted by wipeout64@hotmail.com on January 13, 2008, 3:34 pm

If you were Registered and logged in, you could reply and use other advanced thread options

I recently learned that my neighbor has been eavesdropping on
conversations in my house using the computer, and he did not keep
these conversations to himself. My work is on the computer so I was on
the internet constantly. He must have used a trojan as the software
and hardware firewall was useless. Symantic just found Trojan.SpamThru
on my machine, but I doubt this is the trojan responsible for the
eavesdropping as this was going on for at least 10 mos. - perhaps
longer. Any suggestions on how to protect myself? I've run several of
the free trojan software once I first learned of this as well as
Symantic and at that time found nothing. I do not have a wireless set-
up. Any suggestions would be helpful.

Posted by David H. Lipman on January 13, 2008, 5:57 pm

If you were Registered and logged in, you could reply and use other advanced thread options

| I recently learned that my neighbor has been eavesdropping on
| conversations in my house using the computer, and he did not keep
| these conversations to himself. My work is on the computer so I was on
| the internet constantly. He must have used a trojan as the software
| and hardware firewall was useless. Symantic just found Trojan.SpamThru
| on my machine, but I doubt this is the trojan responsible for the
| eavesdropping as this was going on for at least 10 mos. - perhaps
| longer. Any suggestions on how to protect myself? I've run several of
| the free trojan software once I first learned of this as well as
| Symantic and at that time found nothing. I do not have a wireless set-
| up. Any suggestions would be helpful.

Paranoia ?
Radio listening device ?

The concept "eavesdropping on conversations" does NOT lend itself to a Trojan on
a computer
that easily.

Hell, bounce a laser beam off a window and one can "eavesdrop" on voice
communications in a
building.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

Posted by wipeout64@hotmail.com on January 13, 2008, 6:31 pm

If you were Registered and logged in, you could reply and use other advanced thread options

Eavesdropping thru computers most CERTAINLY can occur by trojans. I've
seen the software for sale myself in electronics magazines! Even the
anonymous phone bureau suggested such. These crimes have been
mentioned in the news. This is nothing new. This is reality not
paranoia. With text to voice and voice to text software (and very
inexpensive I may add) along with mics being built into the
motherboards, such software most certainly can and have bee developed.
I'm surprised you're aware of the lazers for sale and not the trojans.

wrote:

> | I recently learned that my neighbor has been eavesdropping on

> | conversations in my house using the computer, and he did not keep

> | these conversations to himself. My work is on the computer so I was on

> | the internet constantly. He must have used a trojan as the software

> | and hardware firewall was useless. Symantic just found Trojan.SpamThru

> | on my machine, but I doubt this is the trojan responsible for the

> | eavesdropping as this was going on for at least 10 mos. - perhaps

> | longer. Any suggestions on how to protect myself? I've run several of

> | the free trojan software once I first learned of this as well as

> | Symantic and at that time found nothing. I do not have a wireless set-

> | up. Any suggestions would be helpful.

> Paranoia ?

> Radio listening device ?

> The concept "eavesdropping on conversations" does NOT lend itself to a Tro=

jan on a computer

> that easily.

> Hell, bounce a laser beam off a window and one can "eavesdrop" on voice co=

mmunications in a

> building.

> --

> .claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.htmDavehttp://wwwl

> Multi-AV -http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

Posted by David H. Lipman on January 13, 2008, 8:37 pm

If you were Registered and logged in, you could reply and use other advanced thread options

| Eavesdropping thru computers most CERTAINLY can occur by trojans. I've
| seen the software for sale myself in electronics magazines! Even the
| anonymous phone bureau suggested such. These crimes have been
| mentioned in the news. This is nothing new. This is reality not
| paranoia. With text to voice and voice to text software (and very
| inexpensive I may add) along with mics being built into the
| motherboards, such software most certainly can and have bee developed.
| I'm surprised you're aware of the lazers for sale and not the trojans.
|

As I stated...
The concept "eavesdropping on conversations" does NOT lend itself to a Trojan on
a computer
that easily.

I am not saying it is impossible, I am saying it is improbable and highly
unlikely.

First the neighbour has to have the capability to write/obtain said Trojan that
would send
either an audio stream to the neighbour's house or 3rd party web site.

Second you must assume that the microphone is always on as well as the PC and the
conversations are taking place with x feet of said microphone.

Third you must exaplin HOW said Trojan was installed.

The fact that it is possible should not sway one to believe that it is actually
being done.
Based upon my experience and workplace training it is my belief that IFF the
neighbour is
listening on to one's home conversations it is NOT done via the PC and a Trojan
but by a bug
based transmitter.

You stated; "...seen the software for sale myself in electronics magazines!"
I have also seen X-Ray vision glasses advertised in magazines.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

Posted by wipeout64@hotmail.com on January 13, 2008, 11:30 pm

If you were Registered and logged in, you could reply and use other advanced thread options

wrote:

> | Eavesdropping thru computers most CERTAINLY can occur by trojans. I've

> | seen the software for sale myself in electronics magazines! Even the

> | anonymous phone bureau suggested such. These crimes have been

> | mentioned in the news. This is nothing new. This is reality not

> | paranoia. With text to voice and voice to text software (and very

> | inexpensive I may add) along with mics being built into the

> | motherboards, such software most certainly can and have bee developed.

> | I'm surprised you're aware of the lazers for sale and not the trojans.

> |

> As I stated...

> The concept "eavesdropping on conversations" does NOT lend itself to a Tro=

jan on a computer

> that easily.

> I am not saying it is impossible, I am saying it is improbable and highly =

unlikely.

> First the neighbour has to have the capability to write/obtain said Trojan=

that would send

> either an audio stream to the neighbour's house or 3rd party web site.

> Second you must assume that the microphone is always on as well as the PC =

and the

> conversations are taking place with x feet of said microphone.

> Third you must exaplin HOW said Trojan was installed.

> The fact that it is possible should not sway one to believe that it is act=

ually being done.

> Based upon my experience and workplace training it is my belief that IFF t=

he neighbour is

> listening on to one's home conversations it is NOT done via the PC and a T=

rojan but by a bug

> based transmitter.

> You stated; "...seen the software for sale myself in electronics magazines=

> I have also seen X-Ray vision glasses advertised in magazines.

> --

> Davehttp://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html

> Multi-AV -http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

Ok, thanks for explaining. It's a relief that it's not easy. That
means it won't become an every day occurance.

Similar Threads	Posted
? about Trojans	July 16, 2005, 7:14 am
TROJANS!!!!	August 9, 2006, 10:36 am
Trojans	September 1, 2007, 8:58 pm
Trojans SBI	October 30, 2007, 10:18 am
Re: Trojans? Spy-ware? Oh my!	June 15, 2007, 7:01 pm
Re: Trojans? Spy-ware? Oh my!	June 15, 2007, 8:09 pm
Trojans and TCP view	January 24, 2008, 2:33 pm
The Cleaner finds RAS trojans, I can't find them on harddrive	November 19, 2007, 2:52 am
Norton Enterprise AV - scan missing viruses, trojans, keyloggers, rootkits, etc???	April 12, 2007, 6:33 pm

The site map in XML format XML site map