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Re: WMF Exploit question Stephen Howe 01-05-2006
Posted by Stephen Howe on January 5, 2006, 4:33 pm
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>>
I know that you are a MS MVP. That does not mean that you HAVE TO only
provide Microsoft
based solutions. If someone has a problem, and it is security related,
please suppl the
BEST solution and not just a Microsoft solution.
>>

100% agreement on that. On security matters the users PC safety should come
first.

Stephen Howe



Posted by cquirke (MVP Windows shell/use on January 7, 2006, 4:50 am
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On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:33:29 -0000, "Stephen Howe"

>I know that you are a MS MVP. That does not mean that you
>HAVE TO only provide Microsoft based solutions. If someone
>has a problem, and it is security related, please suppl the
>BEST solution and not just a Microsoft solution.

Speaking as an MVP you were prolly not replying to, I'd assert
that'swhat I do, and what many (if not most) MVPs do. In my case,
I've always advocated Eudora rather than MSware as a safer email
solution, as part of risk managements that go beyond what MS have
thought of or embraced.

When it comes to 3rd-party patches, a lot of the worry is in terms of
whether the patch realy is the one you thought you were getting. We
advocate against accepting patches via email or downloaded from
arbitrary sites, whether these purport to be from MS or not.

In the case of the original (3rd-party) WMF patch, access has been
complicated by the original "blog" URL dying due to traffic, and thus
the need to use alternate links. What links? How did you find them?
Are they really to the patch, or some malware opportunist?

Having said all that, the patch itself looks good (I used it) but we
are talking about the first item from a vendor we haven't dealt with
before. As avendor, MS has a track record long enough to demonstrate
they aren't perfect (e.g. the '711 patch debacle) but also long enough
to quantify the likeyhood of risk. With an unknown vendor, that risk
is unquantified, though adoption by respected bodies bodes well.

Right now, I'm walking the walk that I would advise against; I
installed the MS patch on top of the original one, ran around a bit
(shallow testing, unchallenged by exploits) and then uninstalled the
3rd-party patch. SF,SG, but obviously I'd advice uninstalling the
original patch before installing the MS one.



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Posted by Ken Shabby on January 7, 2006, 8:54 am
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Just not most on *this* ng, eh Chris? Something to do with being the most
popular Windows version, I guess.

In fact you're about the only one who includes 'MVP' in the from field I
don't have set to automatically mark as read. Otherwise I'd just make that
the criterion, but as it is I add them individually to the rule.

--

Shane




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> On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:33:29 -0000, "Stephen Howe"
>
>>I know that you are a MS MVP. That does not mean that you
>>HAVE TO only provide Microsoft based solutions. If someone
>>has a problem, and it is security related, please suppl the
>>BEST solution and not just a Microsoft solution.
>
> Speaking as an MVP you were prolly not replying to, I'd assert
> that'swhat I do, and what many (if not most) MVPs do. In my case,
> I've always advocated Eudora rather than MSware as a safer email
> solution, as part of risk managements that go beyond what MS have
> thought of or embraced.
>
> When it comes to 3rd-party patches, a lot of the worry is in terms of
> whether the patch realy is the one you thought you were getting. We
> advocate against accepting patches via email or downloaded from
> arbitrary sites, whether these purport to be from MS or not.
>
> In the case of the original (3rd-party) WMF patch, access has been
> complicated by the original "blog" URL dying due to traffic, and thus
> the need to use alternate links. What links? How did you find them?
> Are they really to the patch, or some malware opportunist?
>
> Having said all that, the patch itself looks good (I used it) but we
> are talking about the first item from a vendor we haven't dealt with
> before. As avendor, MS has a track record long enough to demonstrate
> they aren't perfect (e.g. the '711 patch debacle) but also long enough
> to quantify the likeyhood of risk. With an unknown vendor, that risk
> is unquantified, though adoption by respected bodies bodes well.
>
> Right now, I'm walking the walk that I would advise against; I
> installed the MS patch on top of the original one, ran around a bit
> (shallow testing, unchallenged by exploits) and then uninstalled the
> 3rd-party patch. SF,SG, but obviously I'd advice uninstalling the
> original patch before installing the MS one.
>
>
>
>>---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
> Don't pay malware vendors - boycott Sony
>>---------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -



Posted by Saucy Lemon on January 7, 2006, 9:23 am
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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:33:29 -0000, "Stephen Howe"
>
>> I know that you are a MS MVP. That does not mean that you
>> HAVE TO only provide Microsoft based solutions. If someone
>> has a problem, and it is security related, please suppl the
>> BEST solution and not just a Microsoft solution.
>
> Speaking as an MVP you were prolly not replying to, I'd assert
> that'swhat I do, and what many (if not most) MVPs do. In my case,
> I've always advocated Eudora rather than MSware as a safer email
> solution, as part of risk managements that go beyond what MS have
> thought of or embraced.
>
> When it comes to 3rd-party patches, a lot of the worry is in terms of
> whether the patch realy is the one you thought you were getting. We
> advocate against accepting patches via email or downloaded from
> arbitrary sites, whether these purport to be from MS or not.
>
> In the case of the original (3rd-party) WMF patch, access has been
> complicated by the original "blog" URL dying due to traffic, and thus
> the need to use alternate links. What links? How did you find them?
> Are they really to the patch, or some malware opportunist?
>
> Having said all that, the patch itself looks good (I used it) but we
> are talking about the first item from a vendor we haven't dealt with
> before. As avendor, MS has a track record long enough to demonstrate
> they aren't perfect (e.g. the '711 patch debacle) but also long enough
> to quantify the likeyhood of risk. With an unknown vendor, that risk
> is unquantified, though adoption by respected bodies bodes well.
>
> Right now, I'm walking the walk that I would advise against; I
> installed the MS patch on top of the original one, ran around a bit
> (shallow testing, unchallenged by exploits) and then uninstalled the
> 3rd-party patch. SF,SG, but obviously I'd advice uninstalling the
> original patch before installing the MS one.
>

I balked at the idea of installing that patch. Yes, I did go around
un-registering and renaming the DLL file, but I did not install that
"saviour from out-of-the-blue who are you" patch. If Windows needs a patch,
I let Microsoft do it - it's their baby.



Posted by Kerry Brown on January 7, 2006, 10:49 am
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Saucy Lemon wrote:
> cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 21:33:29 -0000, "Stephen Howe"
>>
>>> I know that you are a MS MVP. That does not mean that you
>>> HAVE TO only provide Microsoft based solutions. If someone
>>> has a problem, and it is security related, please suppl the
>>> BEST solution and not just a Microsoft solution.
>>
>> Speaking as an MVP you were prolly not replying to, I'd assert
>> that'swhat I do, and what many (if not most) MVPs do. In my case,
>> I've always advocated Eudora rather than MSware as a safer email
>> solution, as part of risk managements that go beyond what MS have
>> thought of or embraced.
>>
>> When it comes to 3rd-party patches, a lot of the worry is in terms of
>> whether the patch realy is the one you thought you were getting. We
>> advocate against accepting patches via email or downloaded from
>> arbitrary sites, whether these purport to be from MS or not.
>>
>> In the case of the original (3rd-party) WMF patch, access has been
>> complicated by the original "blog" URL dying due to traffic, and thus
>> the need to use alternate links. What links? How did you find them?
>> Are they really to the patch, or some malware opportunist?
>>
>> Having said all that, the patch itself looks good (I used it) but we
>> are talking about the first item from a vendor we haven't dealt with
>> before. As avendor, MS has a track record long enough to demonstrate
>> they aren't perfect (e.g. the '711 patch debacle) but also long
>> enough to quantify the likeyhood of risk. With an unknown vendor,
>> that risk is unquantified, though adoption by respected bodies bodes
>> well. Right now, I'm walking the walk that I would advise against; I
>> installed the MS patch on top of the original one, ran around a bit
>> (shallow testing, unchallenged by exploits) and then uninstalled the
>> 3rd-party patch. SF,SG, but obviously I'd advice uninstalling the
>> original patch before installing the MS one.
>>
>
> I balked at the idea of installing that patch. Yes, I did go around
> un-registering and renaming the DLL file, but I did not install that
> "saviour from out-of-the-blue who are you" patch. If Windows needs a
> patch, I let Microsoft do it - it's their baby.

And installing anti-virus apps, anti-malware apps, or drivers from unknown
hardware manufacturer's is safer? They all hook very deep into Windows and
may alter or replace Microsoft files. The patch came from a known source in
the security field. Many very respected security and programming experts
tested the patch and analysed the source, which was readily available.
Installing it wasn't as risky as installing that web cam driver from some
unknown company with no known means of contact. I find it very funny that
many people who regularly install freeware software and hardware drivers
from whatever they buy without a second thought balked at installing that
patch.

Kerry



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