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Opening Attachments B.W. 08-21-2006
Posted by B.W. on August 21, 2006, 8:49 pm
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First time I have posted to this group so please ignore the fact that this
is a very basic question.

I have received advice never to open an attachment directly out of an email
because 'not all the potentially malicious code that can be attached to a
document is a virus'.

O.K. but then what is the procedure?

If you are running an anti-virus programme and it is updating daily, you
are not opening
mail from people you don't know and you are also checking the format of the
attachment,
how and when can you finally open the attachment.

I realise that the a/v companies can't get a fix for nasties immediately but
even if you saved the attachment on to a disc you need to scan it eventually
anyway and it then could even have a non-viral nasty which is not going to
be picked up by a virus checker type programme.

Another question, if you get some kind of malicious attachment by just going
to a website, will your a/v programme give you an immediate warning, if it
has a fix for it. or only when it finally does it's scheduled scan of your
hard drive?

Thanks for advice

B.W.



Posted by David H. Lipman on August 21, 2006, 9:19 pm
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Replies are inline...

| First time I have posted to this group so please ignore the fact that this
| is a very basic question.
|
| I have received advice never to open an attachment directly out of an email
| because 'not all the potentially malicious code that can be attached to a
| document is a virus'.
|
| O.K. but then what is the procedure?

Basically, if you don't know the sender of the email with attachments -- delete
it.
If you aren't expecting an attachment -- delete it.

If you know the sender but weren't expecting an attachment, save the file to
disk so your AV
scanner's "On Access" scanner will check it out.

If you know the sender and you were expecting an attachment, save the file to
disk so your
AV scanner's "On Access" scanner will check it out.


|
| If you are running an anti-virus programme and it is updating daily, you
| are not opening
| mail from people you don't know and you are also checking the format of the
| attachment,
| how and when can you finally open the attachment.


See the above...


| I realise that the a/v companies can't get a fix for nasties immediately but
| even if you saved the attachment on to a disc you need to scan it eventually
| anyway and it then could even have a non-viral nasty which is not going to
| be picked up by a virus checker type programme.


Either the attachment will be a Trojan or a virus. In either case AV software
should dtect
it. If it is new then your AV application may not recognize it.

In that case you can submit a sample to Virus Total --
http://www.virustotal.com/flash/index_en.html
The submission will then be tested against many different AV vendor's scanners.
That will give you an idea what it is and who recognizes it. In addition,
unless told
otherwise, Virus Total will provide the sample to all participating vendors.

You can also submit a suspect, one at a time, via the following email URL...
mailto:scan@virustotal.com?subject=SCAN


|
| Another question, if you get some kind of malicious attachment by just going
| to a website, will your a/v programme give you an immediate warning, if it
| has a fix for it. or only when it finally does it's scheduled scan of your
| hard drive?
|
| Thanks for advice
|
| B.W.
|

A good AV application will be able to detect this as it is written to the
Browser cache
through the On Access scanner and block the file from being written. On Accvess
scanning is
teh pro-active prevention capability of AV software while a scheduled or
un-scheduled scan
is called an On Demand scan and is used for verification or removal after the
fact of
infection or possibility of infection.

The following is a snippet of McAfee VirusScan v7.1E log of a Browser action
with infected
files on a web site...

9/25/2005 8:19:56 AM Delete failed (Clean failed) DLIPMAN-1\lipman
D:\temp\IE6\Temporary
Internet Files\Content.IE5\WCZFECUD\ysb_regular[1].cab\YSB_REGULAR[1].CAB
Adware-ISTbar
9/25/2005 8:20:04 AM Delete failed (Clean failed) DLIPMAN-1\lipman
D:\temp\IE6\Temporary
Internet Files\Content.IE5\FZ4HCZOS\pcs_0002[1].exe\PCS_0002[1].EXE
Downloader-AAI
9/26/2005 1:27:28 PM Deleted DLIPMAN-1\lipman D:\temp\IE6\Temporary Internet
Files\Content.IE5\WCZFECUD\you[1].htm JS/Spawn
9/26/2005 1:27:28 PM Delete failed (Clean failed) DLIPMAN-1\lipman
D:\temp\IE6\Temporary
Internet Files\Content.IE5\WCZFECUD\you[1].js JS/Winbomb

Notice the log states "Delete failed (Clean failed)". In actuality, the file
was blocked
from being written and the PC was NOT infected.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



Posted by B.W. on August 21, 2006, 9:39 pm
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Many thanks for those explanations David. I am now looking up 'on access
scanning' to get an understanding of that and I think I am getting the idea.
When you say save the file to disc you mean to a remote source (CD) not the
hard disk hard drive?

B.W.






>
>
> Replies are inline...
>
> | First time I have posted to this group so please ignore the fact that
> this
> | is a very basic question.
> |
> | I have received advice never to open an attachment directly out of an
> email
> | because 'not all the potentially malicious code that can be attached to
> a
> | document is a virus'.
> |
> | O.K. but then what is the procedure?
>
> Basically, if you don't know the sender of the email with attachments --
> delete it.
> If you aren't expecting an attachment -- delete it.
>
> If you know the sender but weren't expecting an attachment, save the file
> to disk so your AV
> scanner's "On Access" scanner will check it out.
>
> If you know the sender and you were expecting an attachment, save the file
> to disk so your
> AV scanner's "On Access" scanner will check it out.
>
>
> |
> | If you are running an anti-virus programme and it is updating daily,
> you
> | are not opening
> | mail from people you don't know and you are also checking the format of
> the
> | attachment,
> | how and when can you finally open the attachment.
>
>
> See the above...
>
>
> | I realise that the a/v companies can't get a fix for nasties immediately
> but
> | even if you saved the attachment on to a disc you need to scan it
> eventually
> | anyway and it then could even have a non-viral nasty which is not going
> to
> | be picked up by a virus checker type programme.
>
>
> Either the attachment will be a Trojan or a virus. In either case AV
> software should dtect
> it. If it is new then your AV application may not recognize it.
>
> In that case you can submit a sample to Virus Total --
> http://www.virustotal.com/flash/index_en.html
> The submission will then be tested against many different AV vendor's
> scanners.
> That will give you an idea what it is and who recognizes it. In addition,
> unless told
> otherwise, Virus Total will provide the sample to all participating
> vendors.
>
> You can also submit a suspect, one at a time, via the following email
> URL...
> mailto:scan@virustotal.com?subject=SCAN
>
>
> |
> | Another question, if you get some kind of malicious attachment by just
> going
> | to a website, will your a/v programme give you an immediate warning, if
> it
> | has a fix for it. or only when it finally does it's scheduled scan of
> your
> | hard drive?
> |
> | Thanks for advice
> |
> | B.W.
> |
>
> A good AV application will be able to detect this as it is written to the
> Browser cache
> through the On Access scanner and block the file from being written. On
> Accvess scanning is
> teh pro-active prevention capability of AV software while a scheduled or
> un-scheduled scan
> is called an On Demand scan and is used for verification or removal after
> the fact of
> infection or possibility of infection.
>
> The following is a snippet of McAfee VirusScan v7.1E log of a Browser
> action with infected
> files on a web site...
>
> 9/25/2005 8:19:56 AM Delete failed (Clean failed) DLIPMAN-1\lipman
> D:\temp\IE6\Temporary
> Internet Files\Content.IE5\WCZFECUD\ysb_regular[1].cab\YSB_REGULAR[1].CAB
> Adware-ISTbar
> 9/25/2005 8:20:04 AM Delete failed (Clean failed) DLIPMAN-1\lipman
> D:\temp\IE6\Temporary
> Internet Files\Content.IE5\FZ4HCZOS\pcs_0002[1].exe\PCS_0002[1].EXE
> Downloader-AAI
> 9/26/2005 1:27:28 PM Deleted DLIPMAN-1\lipman D:\temp\IE6\Temporary
> Internet
> Files\Content.IE5\WCZFECUD\you[1].htm JS/Spawn
> 9/26/2005 1:27:28 PM Delete failed (Clean failed) DLIPMAN-1\lipman
> D:\temp\IE6\Temporary
> Internet Files\Content.IE5\WCZFECUD\you[1].js JS/Winbomb
>
> Notice the log states "Delete failed (Clean failed)". In actuality, the
> file was blocked
> from being written and the PC was NOT infected.
>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm
>
>



Posted by David H. Lipman on August 22, 2006, 4:33 pm
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| Many thanks for those explanations David. I am now looking up 'on access
| scanning' to get an understanding of that and I think I am getting the idea.
| When you say save the file to disc you mean to a remote source (CD) not the
| hard disk hard drive?
|
| B.W.


No, I mean hard drive (hard disk).

As the file is being saved, the "On Demand" scanner of the AV software with
check the file
based upon heuristics and signature based detection techniques.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm



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