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Posted by =?Utf-8?B?T2xkIFJlYmVs?= on September 27, 2006, 11:06 pm
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Is the Multi AV tool safe to use as an offline alternative to online AV scans
for dial up users? Or should it only be used in emergencies? I hope this
question is not a duplicate, because one I posted 5 minutes ago never
appeared. I have Windows One Care installed as resident, and I use Kasperky
online scanner for double checking my PC. Most online scans are nearly
impossible on dialup, and I am looking for a thorough AV tool that I can use
offline that will not conflict with One Care. I have exerienced good results
with One Care so far, but I want to cover all my bases.
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Posted by Leythos on September 28, 2006, 9:21 am
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OldRebel@discussions.microsoft.com says...
> Is the Multi AV tool safe to use as an offline alternative to online AV scans
> for dial up users? Or should it only be used in emergencies? I hope this
> question is not a duplicate, because one I posted 5 minutes ago never
> appeared. I have Windows One Care installed as resident, and I use Kasperky
> online scanner for double checking my PC. Most online scans are nearly
> impossible on dialup, and I am looking for a thorough AV tool that I can use
> offline that will not conflict with One Care. I have exerienced good results
> with One Care so far, but I want to cover all my bases.
I ALWAYS run a real-time AV scanner on every machine. I use David's
Multi_AV when I want to check the quality of their operation or when I
want to clean a residential users computer and they don't want to
wipe/reinstall from blank.
I download the updates (start each option, but don't run it) and then
burn to CD, then take that CD to the infected machine, copy it to C: and
then run it in safe mode only.
I personally, never trust cleaning tools from Microsoft.
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Posted by =?Utf-8?B?T2xkIFJlYmVs?= on September 28, 2006, 9:53 am
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any one AV product. As far as One Care is concerned, as well as Defender, I
have tried them and like them. If they fail me, I will wipe the disk and
start over with another AV. SOMEBODY has to use these things to see if
they're any good. LOL I dont' know of any product that hasn't had some
problems.
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"Leythos" wrote:
> OldRebel@discussions.microsoft.com says...
> > Is the Multi AV tool safe to use as an offline alternative to online AV
scans
> > for dial up users? Or should it only be used in emergencies? I hope this
> > question is not a duplicate, because one I posted 5 minutes ago never
> > appeared. I have Windows One Care installed as resident, and I use Kasperky
> > online scanner for double checking my PC. Most online scans are nearly
> > impossible on dialup, and I am looking for a thorough AV tool that I can use
> > offline that will not conflict with One Care. I have exerienced good
results
> > with One Care so far, but I want to cover all my bases.
>
> I ALWAYS run a real-time AV scanner on every machine. I use David's
> Multi_AV when I want to check the quality of their operation or when I
> want to clean a residential users computer and they don't want to
> wipe/reinstall from blank.
>
> I download the updates (start each option, but don't run it) and then
> burn to CD, then take that CD to the infected machine, copy it to C: and
> then run it in safe mode only.
>
> I personally, never trust cleaning tools from Microsoft.
>
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Posted by cquirke (MVP Windows shell/use on September 28, 2006, 4:03 pm
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>Is the Multi AV tool safe to use as an offline alternative to online AV scans
>for dial up users? Or should it only be used in emergencies?
Multi-AV is there to attempt to clean an already-infected system, so
it is NOT a substitute to running av to prevent infection. Once
infected, the malware can and often does resist removal, and is
better-positioned to control the PC than you are to get it back.
In this situation, the more chance the malware has to get control of
the system, the less chance you have of getting it back.
Online scanners are the most unsafe in this situation, because by the
time you've started your infected Windows and connected to the
Internet via this infected code base, and start to look for scanning
sites through infected DNS, you are almost certain to have the malware
perfectly positioned to overrule your attempts to clean it.
Multi-AV is safer, because you don't have to be online to use it, and
it can be used in Safe Mode. But there's still a chance the malware
will be active at that time; it merely has to make use of the
opportunities that Windows hands it on a plate. Many don't, tho.
It's safer still if you can avoid running any code from the infected
system at all, and that can be done by working from Bart CDR boot.
But that means having a clean system to build the Bart disk, and more
to the point, a fair bit of effort and technical fiddling.
>I have Windows One Care installed as resident, and I use Kasperky
>online scanner for double checking my PC. Most online scans are nearly
>impossible on dialup, and I am looking for a thorough AV tool that I can use
>offline that will not conflict with One Care.
OK... I'd use on-demand scanners such as free BitDefender, SysClean,
and various CLI scanners; in fact, that's pretty much what Multi-AV is
all about. But I would NOT use these in the sense of a "full system
scan" - instead, I'd use them as on-demand scanners to check material
before it was ever allowed to run. Reasons as above.
Some folks rely on their av to do their thinking for them - they'll
click on anything, often with misplaced confidence because it's "from
someone they know", and expect the av to catch all the nasties before
they hit the system and blow it up.
Then when they realize av will always leak so that stuff seeps
through, they'll do a full system scan once in a while to attempt to
get the system back if it's gotten infected.
Rather than that, it's better to not take chances on hi-risk material,
even if an on-demand scan (or better - as intended here - more than
one on-demand scan) has passed it as OK.
IOW, what I don't trust, I don't scan and I don't "open".
What I do trust, I scan and then I "open" it.
If my resident av then catches something, I don't feel warm and fuzzy
that I'm well-protected. I get the cold grizzlies because I've let a
baddie get past me and close enough to take a crack at goal, and it's
only the resident av (my goalie of last resort) that stopped it.
>I have exerienced good results with One Care so far, but I want
>to cover all my bases.
Yes, IKWYM. I'm using AVG 7 with BitDefender and F-Prot for DOS as my
on-demand scanners, and a battery of Bart-based av for recovery.
If I had to do a lot of tricky stuff, I'd build the same bunch of
Bart'd tools into a far larger on-demand hammer :-)
>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
Running Windows-based av to kill active malware is like striking
a match to see if what you are standing in is water or petrol.
>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
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Posted by What's in a Name? on September 28, 2006, 4:55 pm
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microsoft.public.security.virus on 9/28/2006,after much thought,came up
with this jewel:
> > -------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
> Running Windows-based av to kill active malware is like striking
> a match to see if what you are standing in is water or petrol.
> > -------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
Speaking of matches-
Last year,here in Ohio,a contractor went in to a house to check for a
gas leak-he used a lighter and blew up the second floor.
max
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