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Is Pandora Music Radio Legit? ToddAndMargo 05-11-2007
Posted by Heather on May 11, 2007, 3:01 pm
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> Hi Heather,
>
> Here is Trend's write up on it:
>
>
http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/grayware/ve_graywareDetails.asp?GNAME=ADW%5FAGENT%2EOXA&VSect=Td

Yes, I read that. Which is part of the reason I didn't think it was any
more than a false alert. But YMMV.

> Musicians deserve to be paid too. They feed their children
> with their music. Just because music is
> easy to steel does not make it moral. Far too
> many teenagers, and unfortunately far too many
> adults, have a hard time with this concept. (I will
> get off my soap box now.)

I have a hard time with that concept too. If I own a CD and choose to
share it with another person, what is wrong with that??. And vice
versa. It is NOT "steeling" (sic). Btw, all of my mp3's are on this
computer and also on my CD player in my car. They are for MY own
enjoyment.

Now don't go ticking people off again......you seem to have a penchant
for that, grin.

Heather, who knows musicians who agree with sharing via P2P.....



Posted by on May 11, 2007, 3:37 pm
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> > Musicians deserve to be paid too. They feed their children
> > with their music. Just because music is
> > easy to steel does not make it moral. Far too
> > many teenagers, and unfortunately far too many
> > adults, have a hard time with this concept. (I will
> > get off my soap box now.)
>
> I have a hard time with that concept too. If I own a CD and choose to
> share it with another person, what is wrong with that??. And vice
> versa. It is NOT "steeling" (sic). Btw, all of my mp3's are on this
> computer and also on my CD player in my car. They are for MY own
> enjoyment.

Actually you own the plastic the CD is made of, but you do not
own the music that is on the disk. You own a License. Otherwise,
you could press a million copies of it and go into business selling
it.

The is nothing wrong with you loaning a copyrighted disk to a friend
as long as you loose the use of it in the process, like
a book. If you loan your Harry Potter (a copyrighted book)
to a friend, you can not read it while your friend has it.
Making a "copy" of the book and giving it to your friend
is steeling, because you did not loose the use of the book
during the loan.

The same goes with software. Windows XP is copyrighted
and the license is one per computer. If you install it on
several computers, you are steeling.

Unless, of course, it is okay with the author. Firefox, Thunderbird,
Linux, etc. are all okay with the authors to copy to your heart's
content. But, they do have restrictions on using their code in other
things: if you "borrow" some of their code, you have to make your
code open source as well. Because it is okay with the authors,
you CAN install the same copy of Firefox, Linux on several machines.

> Heather, who knows musicians who agree with sharing via P2P.....

As long as the musician (author) agrees, go for it. Basically,
read the license. And remember it is "Thou shalt not steel",
not "Thou shalt not steel, unless it is really, really easy to
steel and I really, really want it".

Thank you for checking out the site for me and making
sure it was safe.

-T
p.s. be careful with the P2P, a lot of viruses use it as
an entry into your system. (It sounds like you are.)


Posted by What's in a Name? on May 11, 2007, 8:57 pm
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After much thought,ToddAndMargo@verizon.net aka came up with this
jewel:

> > I have a hard time with that concept too. If I own a CD and choose
> > to share it with another person, what is wrong with that??. And
> > vice versa. It is NOT "steeling" (sic). Btw, all of my mp3's are
> > on this computer and also on my CD player in my car. They are for
> > MY own enjoyment.
>
> Actually you own the plastic the CD is made of, but you do not
> own the music that is on the disk. You own a License. Otherwise,
> you could press a million copies of it and go into business selling
> it.
>
> The is nothing wrong with you loaning a copyrighted disk to a friend
> as long as you loose the use of it in the process, like
> a book. If you loan your Harry Potter (a copyrighted book)
> to a friend, you can not read it while your friend has it.
> Making a "copy" of the book and giving it to your friend
> is steeling, because you did not loose the use of the book
> during the loan.
>
> The same goes with software. Windows XP is copyrighted
> and the license is one per computer. If you install it on
> several computers, you are steeling.
>
> Unless, of course, it is okay with the author. Firefox, Thunderbird,
> Linux, etc. are all okay with the authors to copy to your heart's
> content. But, they do have restrictions on using their code in other
> things: if you "borrow" some of their code, you have to make your
> code open source as well. Because it is okay with the authors,
> you CAN install the same copy of Firefox, Linux on several machines.
>
> > Heather, who knows musicians who agree with sharing via P2P.....
>
> As long as the musician (author) agrees, go for it. Basically,
> read the license. And remember it is "Thou shalt not steel",
> not "Thou shalt not steel, unless it is really, really easy to
> steel and I really, really want it".

My understanding of copyright laws is that one is allowed to make a
"backup" copy in case the original gets damaged.

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Posted by on May 11, 2007, 9:28 pm
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> My understanding of copyright laws is that one is allowed to make a
> "backup" copy in case the original gets damaged.

In America, I do believe that is the case. I am not a Lawyer,
America has too many of them anyway, so do not take
my advice as legal opinion.

I do believe the test is the "loss of use". In other words, you
can make yourself a backup copy, but you can not play it
in two places at once. If you buy one license, you get to
use it at one location at a time. Basically, just don't give a copy
to someone else.

Oh my goodness, do not play it in a commercial, public place!
The music industry down here gets really mad about that.
In that case, they want money each time you play one of
their songs. Bars get busted (get presented with a bill)
all the time for this.

If you like classical music, check out karadar.it. Lots of
legitimate free stuff of his site: it is a music university in
Italy. Some of it is a bit old (copyright expired) though and can
sound a bit scratchy. His own Chopin is the best I have
EVER heard!

-T


Posted by kurt wismer on May 12, 2007, 12:21 pm
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ToddAndMargo@verizon.net wrote:
[snip]
> Actually you own the plastic the CD is made of, but you do not
> own the music that is on the disk. You own a License. Otherwise,
> you could press a million copies of it and go into business selling
> it.
>
> The is nothing wrong with you loaning a copyrighted disk to a friend
> as long as you loose the use of it in the process, like
> a book. If you loan your Harry Potter (a copyrighted book)
> to a friend, you can not read it while your friend has it.
> Making a "copy" of the book and giving it to your friend
> is steeling, because you did not loose the use of the book
> during the loan.

in canada it is legal to make a copy of music for personal enjoyment...
it's called private copying and we pay a levy on blank media that we buy
which gets distributed to artists to compensate for it... so if i loaned
heather one of my cd's it would be perfectly legal for her to make a
copy of it...

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now the idiots have taken over
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