I've done both of these 'silly things'!

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I've done both of these 'silly things'! ~BD~ 03-30-2008
Posted by ~BD~ on March 30, 2008, 8:30 am
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In this article http://www.claymania.com/panic.html it says:-

You have probably come to this page because your computer is not working
properly. You may have heard that things named computer viruses can cause
computers to act abnormally, and now you think you have a virus. Before you
go ahead...

Do NOT panic!!

This is very important. Having a virus basically means that there is a
program on your computer that doesn't belong there. It's this simple, so
really there is no need to panic. In fact, a panicking user can be much more
dangerous than any virus! Users often cause more damage while attempting to
exterminate a virus than the virus itself could ever have caused.

Panic may cause a user to do two very silly things: formatting and using
FDisk.

Formatting
You may have overheard rumors according to which there is an infallible
method to get rid of a virus, namely formatting. Formatting is a process
that effectively removes all data stored on a medium (although that is not
its actual purpose), including any virus.
Well, don't fall for this myth. It's not always true. In fact, it may work,
but formatting is generally a bad idea for several reasons:
a.. Formatting is in most cases absolutely unnecessary. Most viruses can
be removed quite easily.
b.. Formatting and reinstalling the operating system and all applications
is time consuming.
c.. Data loss will occur if you forget to back up your data before wiping
everything.
d.. Format may remove everything except the virus.
FDisk
Some of you may even have heard about a miraculous tool named Fdisk
(generally in connection with so-called "boot sector viruses" or the MBR).
The MBR is a small sector on your hard disk that contains a small program
and partition information. The truth about Fdisk is that it can be useful,
but its use can also result in data loss. If you don't know exactly which
virus you are dealing with, Fdisk can be very destructive!! Fdisk is
definitely not an anti-virus tool, so don't use it.
_____________________________________________________________________________

As I said in the title "I've done both of these 'silly things'!", so
.........

I am particularly interested in /this/ statement therein:-

"Format may remove everything *except* the virus".

I'd be most grateful if someone will explain this to me. TIA
--
Dave




Posted by Tom on March 30, 2008, 12:11 pm
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~BD~ wrote:
> In this article http://www.claymania.com/panic.html it says:-
>
> You have probably come to this page because your computer is not working
> properly. You may have heard that things named computer viruses can cause
> computers to act abnormally, and now you think you have a virus. Before you
> go ahead...
>
> Do NOT panic!!
>
> This is very important. Having a virus basically means that there is a
> program on your computer that doesn't belong there. It's this simple, so
> really there is no need to panic. In fact, a panicking user can be much more
> dangerous than any virus! Users often cause more damage while attempting to
> exterminate a virus than the virus itself could ever have caused.
>
> Panic may cause a user to do two very silly things: formatting and using
> FDisk.
>
> Formatting
> You may have overheard rumors according to which there is an infallible
> method to get rid of a virus, namely formatting. Formatting is a process
> that effectively removes all data stored on a medium (although that is not
> its actual purpose), including any virus.
> Well, don't fall for this myth. It's not always true. In fact, it may work,
> but formatting is generally a bad idea for several reasons:
> a.. Formatting is in most cases absolutely unnecessary. Most viruses can
> be removed quite easily.
> b.. Formatting and reinstalling the operating system and all applications
> is time consuming.
> c.. Data loss will occur if you forget to back up your data before wiping
> everything.
> d.. Format may remove everything except the virus.
> FDisk
> Some of you may even have heard about a miraculous tool named Fdisk
> (generally in connection with so-called "boot sector viruses" or the MBR).
> The MBR is a small sector on your hard disk that contains a small program
> and partition information. The truth about Fdisk is that it can be useful,
> but its use can also result in data loss. If you don't know exactly which
> virus you are dealing with, Fdisk can be very destructive!! Fdisk is
> definitely not an anti-virus tool, so don't use it.
> _____________________________________________________________________________
>
> As I said in the title "I've done both of these 'silly things'!", so
> .........
>
> I am particularly interested in /this/ statement therein:-
>
> "Format may remove everything *except* the virus".
>
> I'd be most grateful if someone will explain this to me. TIA
> --
> Dave
>
>
>
Simple really, Format doesn't write very much to your disk at all.
It puts a Hexadecimal E5 in the first character of each entry in the
root directory (marks it as empty and available), then reads the rest of
the disk to look for bad sectors. It doesn't touch the Master Boot
record or the partition table, that's fdisk's job.

Posted by ~BD~ on March 30, 2008, 3:43 pm
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<snip>
> As I said in the title "I've done both of these 'silly things'!", so
>> .........
>>
>> I am particularly interested in /this/ statement therein:-
>>
>> "Format may remove everything *except* the virus".
>>
>> I'd be most grateful if someone will explain this to me. TIA
>> --
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
> Simple really, Format doesn't write very much to your disk at all.
> It puts a Hexadecimal E5 in the first character of each entry in the root
> directory (marks it as empty and available), then reads the rest of the
> disk to look for bad sectors. It doesn't touch the Master Boot record or
> the partition table, that's fdisk's job.

Thank you for your reply, Tom.

I do not profess to understand all the technicalities but I have learnt much
by trial and error. My understanding from comments made by PA Bear at
AumHa.net was that carrying out a format leaves one's computer in a
virtually 'as new' state. However, I have used a programme from a magazine
CD (Undelete?) which enabled me to recover files from a clean, formatted,
hard drive. I'm fairly certain that I've done so even when I've used FDISK
too.

The Claymania statement seems to infer that even if one uses both FDISK
*and* Format, a virus could remain - and still come back to bite you!

Is this possible?

If so, what would be the solution - other than replacing the hard disk with
a new one? TIA for futher comment.

One other query. When using my retail version XP Home set-up CD to load
Windows, one is given a choice of a 'regular' or 'quick' format procedure.
How do the procedures differ? Thanks for any advice on this.

Dave



Posted by Peter Foldes on March 30, 2008, 1:07 pm
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Hello Dave

Please refrain from starting your usual dialogue with this post here. =
The link claymania=20
is legitimate and very easy to understand
--=20
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

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> You have probably come to this page because your computer is not =
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> Do NOT panic!!
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> This is very important. Having a virus basically means that there is a =

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> really there is no need to panic. In fact, a panicking user can be =
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> dangerous than any virus! Users often cause more damage while =
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> exterminate a virus than the virus itself could ever have caused.
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> Panic may cause a user to do two very silly things: formatting and =
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> FDisk.
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> Formatting
> You may have overheard rumors according to which there is an =
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> method to get rid of a virus, namely formatting. Formatting is a =
process=20
> that effectively removes all data stored on a medium (although that is =
not=20
> its actual purpose), including any virus.
> Well, don't fall for this myth. It's not always true. In fact, it may =
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> but formatting is generally a bad idea for several reasons:
> a.. Formatting is in most cases absolutely unnecessary. Most viruses =
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> b.. Formatting and reinstalling the operating system and all =
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> is time consuming.
> c.. Data loss will occur if you forget to back up your data before =
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> d.. Format may remove everything except the virus.
> FDisk
> Some of you may even have heard about a miraculous tool named Fdisk=20
> (generally in connection with so-called "boot sector viruses" or the =
MBR).=20
> The MBR is a small sector on your hard disk that contains a small =
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_________________________________________________________________________=
____
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> As I said in the title "I've done both of these 'silly things'!", so=20
> .........
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> I am particularly interested in /this/ statement therein:-
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> "Format may remove everything *except* the virus".
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> I'd be most grateful if someone will explain this to me. TIA
> --
> Dave
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>

Posted by Leo on March 30, 2008, 5:15 pm
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Who appointed you moderator of this group?

I'm enjoying this thread (I might learn something) so bug off.

--
Leo

"A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which
debt he proposes to pay off with your money." - G. Gordon Liddy


Hello Dave

Please refrain from starting your usual dialogue with this post here. The
link claymania
is legitimate and very easy to understand
--
Peter


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