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DNS Randomness Test Kayman 07-28-2008
Posted by Kayman on July 29, 2008, 4:19 am
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:14:07 -0600, Lon wrote:

<snip>

> I'd also beware of self appointed security experts who do not recognize
> the site www.dns-oarc.net.

Hey Lon, while we're having so much fun, here is another DNS checker
http://www.doxpara.com/
(a good tool to double-check the results obtained from
https://www.dns-oarc.net/oarc/services/dnsentropy )
:-)

Posted by John on July 29, 2008, 4:38 pm
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> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:14:07 -0600, Lon wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I'd also beware of self appointed security experts who do not recognize
>> the site www.dns-oarc.net.
>
> Hey Lon, while we're having so much fun, here is another DNS checker
> http://www.doxpara.com/
> (a good tool to double-check the results obtained from
> https://www.dns-oarc.net/oarc/services/dnsentropy )
> :-)

I'm not sure how these tools work but they seem to automatically "pick" our
ISP's DNS IP address to scan. The thing is the IP address doesn't
necessarily match the ones I'm using (also belong to my ISP). As an example,
I'm using x.x.x.x as my resolver but the tools pick up y.y.y.y and tell me
that the test is good (it's been patched). Both x.x.x.x and y.y.y.y are my
ISP's DNS servers.

I understand that they have multiple addresses (may be hundreds/thousands
depending on ISP size). My questions is:
Is there a tool that lets us input IP address to scan?

Or is it safe to assume that if my ISP DNS at x.x.x.x (as seen by the tools
at dns-oarc.net or doxpara.com) has been patched, they have patched the rest
of their DNS servers and therefore it is safe to use any of their DNS?

Thanks in advance.



Posted by Kayman on July 29, 2008, 8:14 pm
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:38:52 -0700, John wrote:

>> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:14:07 -0600, Lon wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I'd also beware of self appointed security experts who do not recognize
>>> the site www.dns-oarc.net.
>>
>> Hey Lon, while we're having so much fun, here is another DNS checker
>> http://www.doxpara.com/
>> (a good tool to double-check the results obtained from
>> https://www.dns-oarc.net/oarc/services/dnsentropy )
>> :-)
>
> I'm not sure how these tools work but they seem to automatically "pick" our
> ISP's DNS IP address to scan.

Yes, that's seems to be the procedure.

> The thing is the IP address doesn't
> necessarily match the ones I'm using (also belong to my ISP). As an example,
> I'm using x.x.x.x as my resolver but the tools pick up y.y.y.y and tell me
> that the test is good (it's been patched). Both x.x.x.x and y.y.y.y are my
> ISP's DNS servers.

Talk to you Internet Service Provider (ISP); They probably issue dynamic IP
addresses.
FYI:
http://searchwindevelopment.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid8_gci520967,00.html

> I understand that they have multiple addresses (may be hundreds/thousands
> depending on ISP size). My questions is:
> Is there a tool that lets us input IP address to scan?

Don't know, sorry.

> Or is it safe to assume that if my ISP DNS at x.x.x.x (as seen by the tools
> at dns-oarc.net or doxpara.com) has been patched, they have patched the rest
> of their DNS servers and therefore it is safe to use any of their DNS?

I'd assume it's safe; If in doubt talk to the ISP.
Let us know their response.


Posted by John on July 30, 2008, 5:10 pm
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>>
>> I'm not sure how these tools work but they seem to automatically "pick"
>> our
>> ISP's DNS IP address to scan.
>
> Yes, that's seems to be the procedure.
>
>> The thing is the IP address doesn't
>> necessarily match the ones I'm using (also belong to my ISP). As an
>> example,
>> I'm using x.x.x.x as my resolver but the tools pick up y.y.y.y and tell
>> me
>> that the test is good (it's been patched). Both x.x.x.x and y.y.y.y are
>> my
>> ISP's DNS servers.
>
> Talk to you Internet Service Provider (ISP); They probably issue dynamic
> IP
> addresses.
> FYI:
>
http://searchwindevelopment.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid8_gci520967,00.html
>
>> I understand that they have multiple addresses (may be hundreds/thousands
>> depending on ISP size). My questions is:
>> Is there a tool that lets us input IP address to scan?
>
> Don't know, sorry.
>
>> Or is it safe to assume that if my ISP DNS at x.x.x.x (as seen by the
>> tools
>> at dns-oarc.net or doxpara.com) has been patched, they have patched the
>> rest
>> of their DNS servers and therefore it is safe to use any of their DNS?
>

Thanks Kayman. I use (my ISP) DNS IP addresses as forwarders on my Windows
DNS system. I guess what I can do is change the forwarders IP addresses to
the ones that have been detected as GOOD.

Btw, http://www.dnsstuff.com/ has a DNS vulnerability check too. Also, if
you haven't heard, check this out:
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/073008-dns-attack-writer-a-victim.html

> I'd assume it's safe; If in doubt talk to the ISP.
> Let us know their response.

Contact our ISP? That's a scary thought. I sent them an email last week,
asking them if they have fixed DNS flaw. A few days later, I got a reply
like this:

At this time we have made no changes to our network and we do not plan to
make any changes. We actively monitor out network for any security breaches.

Shortly before I received the above reply from my ISP, I used DNS check
tools from doxpara.com. It says that it's safe (a few days earlier, the
report said that my DNS was vulnerable to cache poisoning). I appears to me
that my ISP has fixed the problem but a reply from my ISP says otherwise
("we do not plan to make any changes"). Clueless tech support.



Posted by Kayman on July 30, 2008, 8:06 pm
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:10:49 -0700, John wrote:

>>>
>>> I'm not sure how these tools work but they seem to automatically "pick"
>>> our
>>> ISP's DNS IP address to scan.
>>
>> Yes, that's seems to be the procedure.
>>
>>> The thing is the IP address doesn't
>>> necessarily match the ones I'm using (also belong to my ISP). As an
>>> example,
>>> I'm using x.x.x.x as my resolver but the tools pick up y.y.y.y and tell
>>> me
>>> that the test is good (it's been patched). Both x.x.x.x and y.y.y.y are
>>> my
>>> ISP's DNS servers.
>>
>> Talk to you Internet Service Provider (ISP); They probably issue dynamic
>> IP
>> addresses.
>> FYI:
>>
http://searchwindevelopment.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid8_gci520967,00.html
>>
>>> I understand that they have multiple addresses (may be hundreds/thousands
>>> depending on ISP size). My questions is:
>>> Is there a tool that lets us input IP address to scan?
>>
>> Don't know, sorry.
>>
>>> Or is it safe to assume that if my ISP DNS at x.x.x.x (as seen by the
>>> tools
>>> at dns-oarc.net or doxpara.com) has been patched, they have patched the
>>> rest
>>> of their DNS servers and therefore it is safe to use any of their DNS?
>>
>
> Thanks Kayman. I use (my ISP) DNS IP addresses as forwarders on my Windows
> DNS system. I guess what I can do is change the forwarders IP addresses to
> the ones that have been detected as GOOD.
>
> Btw, http://www.dnsstuff.com/ has a DNS vulnerability check too. Also, if
> you haven't heard, check this out:
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/073008-dns-attack-writer-a-victim.html
>
>> I'd assume it's safe; If in doubt talk to the ISP.
>> Let us know their response.
>
> Contact our ISP? That's a scary thought. I sent them an email last week,
> asking them if they have fixed DNS flaw. A few days later, I got a reply
> like this:
>
> At this time we have made no changes to our network and we do not plan to
> make any changes. We actively monitor out network for any security breaches.
>
> Shortly before I received the above reply from my ISP, I used DNS check
> tools from doxpara.com. It says that it's safe (a few days earlier, the
> report said that my DNS was vulnerable to cache poisoning). I appears to me
> that my ISP has fixed the problem but a reply from my ISP says otherwise
> ("we do not plan to make any changes"). Clueless tech support.

Yes, I would think that your ISP has fixed (or is fixing) the problem. The
("clueless tech support") is probably a temp who may not be versed
technically :)

Good luck

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