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Confused! :( BoaterDave 09-11-2007
Posted by Kayman on September 13, 2007, 6:11 am
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On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:57:26 -0400, Leythos wrote:

> enjoylife@cocosisl.oz says...
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:53:17 -0400, Leythos wrote:
>>
>>> enjoylife@cocosisl.oz says...
>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:05:40 -0400, Leythos wrote:
>>>>>>> Dave Lipman's tools:
>>>>>>> Download MULTI_AV.EXE from the URL --
>>>>>>> http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
>>>>>
>>>> Hey Leythos,
>>>> You could provide additional info when recommending David's Multi AV
>>>
>>> I could, but people should be able to read the PDF that is included with
>>> the app, not to mention that they should also be looking for help,
>>> readme, support type documents when they get ANY application.
>>>
>>> The reason that people need anti-malware tools is that they don't read
>>> or follow directions.
>>
>> Well yes. But there is a difference between patronizing and educating the
>> uninitiated. Even the author/creater of Multi_AV doesn't subscribe to your
>> condescending approach and provides this additional info when reccommending
>> the usage of his application; Heck, you're trying to be more catholic than
>> the Pope, oh well.
>
> There are a couple days per year when I have little tolerance for people
> that can't at least look around before asking for something that is
> right in front of them, that was one of them.

Yeah, I guess you're right. We all have them; Let's move on... :)

Posted by BoaterDave on September 13, 2007, 7:18 am
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I really *do* appreciate your help and advice, Leythos. (Kayman too!) and I
thank you.

However, if it was me to whom you were referring in this post of yours, you
obviously missed the post I made on this group on 13 August entitled 'The
Newbie's Dilemma'. To save you looking it up, this is what I said:-
...............................................................................................................

How can anyone visiting here for the first time have *any* idea that they
will receive good ........ or bad .......... advice?

I thought at first that the TechNet Communities must be monitored by
Microsoft staff and therefore be relatively safe. I'm still not sure about
that. Having come here (for ease of use, on someone's advice) it appears
that *no* such protection applies and that it really is a 'free-for-all' and
is, quite likely, a dangerous place to visit.

This may not have always been so - and I do wish to stress that I HAVE
received some excellent and helpful advice, much of which has enabled me to
help myself more and better understand my PC and its' software. I have also
learnt a great deal about 'malware' and how to deal with it.

PCButts1 - some while ago now - explained to me how effective it is to run
HiJackThis and then copy and paste a specific entry directly into Google.
Here's an example - O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Adobe Reader Speed Launcher]
"C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader 8.0\Reader\Reader_sl.exe"

Try it for yourself. I got 66,800 responses which can be reviewed at
leisure. <g>

What I have NOT found is other people who are trying to find out who
*perpetrates* the 'malware' in the first place - no-one seems to care. I do!

So, in spite of comments like that of 'Fitz' elsewhere on this group, and
also having been
'warned-off'' having contact with PCButts1 by Kerry Brown and David H
Lipman, I'm grateful for PCB's help. Perhaps he's one of the good guys after
all, but only experience here will tell. I'm glad I'm not a newbie any more!

BD

................................................................................................................

I'm inclined to believe that PCButts *is* the rogue ........... but one
cannot be certain, eh? <g>

HTH - any comment you may wish to make will be welcomed! :)

Dave



> enjoylife@cocosisl.oz says...
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:53:17 -0400, Leythos wrote:
>
> There are a couple days per year when I have little tolerance for people
> that can't at least look around before asking for something that is
> right in front of them, that was one of them.
>
> --
>
> Leythos
> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)



Posted by Leythos on September 13, 2007, 11:54 am
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BoaterDave@nospam.invalid says...
> I really *do* appreciate your help and advice, Leythos. (Kayman too!) and I
> thank you.
>
> However, if it was me to whom you were referring in this post of yours, you
> obviously missed the post I made on this group on 13 August entitled 'The
> Newbie's Dilemma'. To save you looking it up, this is what I said:-

At my age, participating in 30+ groups, I can't remember last week.

>
...............................................................................................................
>
> How can anyone visiting here for the first time have *any* idea that they
> will receive good ........ or bad .......... advice?

You should always assume that any advice you get from Usenet, as you're
just reading Usenet through a MS portal, is bad, always.

> I thought at first that the TechNet Communities must be monitored by
> Microsoft staff and therefore be relatively safe. I'm still not sure about
> that. Having come here (for ease of use, on someone's advice) it appears
> that *no* such protection applies and that it really is a 'free-for-all' and
> is, quite likely, a dangerous place to visit.

Usenet, which is where this post really exists, is global and is only
filtered for SOME content and some abusers, it's not monitored at MS's
portal for it. I'm sure that some "limited" monitoring by automated
means is done, but each post is not watched by a person.

This is actually Usenet and MS just has a web portal to it, like many
others, including Google Groups. Web portals are almost always the worst
way to access Usenet - it's been around since 84, longer than the "web".

> This may not have always been so - and I do wish to stress that I HAVE
> received some excellent and helpful advice, much of which has enabled me to
> help myself more and better understand my PC and its' software. I have also
> learnt a great deal about 'malware' and how to deal with it.

That's what Usenet is for - Communicating around specific topics and
sharing information - it's very good for that.

> PC Butt s1 - some while ago now - explained to me how effective it is to run
> HiJackThis and then copy and paste a specific entry directly into Google.
> Here's an example - O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Adobe Reader Speed Launcher]
> "C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader 8.0\Reader\Reader_sl.exe"

Now you've lost my respect - taking advice, even if it's good, from a
known hack/pirate that host PORN on the website he directs people to.

> Try it for yourself. I got 66,800 responses which can be reviewed at
> leisure. <g>
>
> What I have NOT found is other people who are trying to find out who
> *perpetrates* the 'malware' in the first place - no-one seems to care. I do!

Actually, many people care and do look for them - any of them that cause
loss are investigated, but the methods people use to track them down, if
effective, are not going to be published - why give them an
understanding of how they expose themselves so that they can better
hide?

> So, in spite of comments like that of 'Fitz' elsewhere on this group, and
> also having been
> 'warned-off'' having contact with PCButts1 by Kerry Brown and David H
> Lipman, I'm grateful for PCB's help. Perhaps he's one of the good guys after
> all, but only experience here will tell. I'm glad I'm not a newbie any more!

He's got a nack for taking others works and making people think he's
helped them instead of giving credit to the real author of the work.
It's like if you want to buy a gun, you can get the gun from a legal
source or a source that you're not sure about, that may not seem
illegal, but, you have to visit a place that's known to violate ethical
standards to get to that person - and they are the ones that makes it
violate ethical standards... I'll stay away from those placecs.


--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

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