Anti Virus Solutions That Use Their Own Boot CD?

Anti Virus Solutions That Use Their Own Boot CD?

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Anti Virus Solutions That Use Their Own Boot CD? Will 07-02-2008
Posted by Will on July 3, 2008, 4:06 pm
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A well-made product of the kind I am describing contains a program to create
that boot CD on demand, from the latest updates.

It's the same model that ERD Commander uses to build new recovery boot CDs,
installing different sets of device drivers on each build.

If you have a suspect computer, you would go to the "safe" computer,
download the latest virus files, then build a new boot CD and use it the
same day to do your inspection of the infected computer.

--
Will

>
> >>>Can someone recommend an anti-virus solution that lets you build a boot
CD
> >>>that will inspect the NTFS file system for trojans or viruses without
any
> >>>need to boot the OS on the file system you are inspecting?
>
> >> Thats not going to be too common, because its not a very effective
> >> model for ongoing A/V protection.
>
> | Day-to-day protection has to balance many different issues like
> | intrusiveness and performance on a system under use. It's very easy to
> | subvert modern virus checking programs with root kit viruses. The
rootkit
> | simply rewrites kernel functions and reports back to the virus checker
only
> | the data it wants the checker to see.
>
> | Booting from a standalone CD is the only approach that guarantees that
all
> | files on the file system can be inspected by an OS and application that
is
> | not under control of a trojan or rootkit. It would be an extremely
good
> | way of checking for hidden files or folders that would otherwise be
hidden
> | from view if the rootkit were active.
>
> | It's a shame if no anti-virus vendor has seen to create such a bootable
CD.
>
> | --
> | Will
>
>
>
> The problem is by nature a CDROM is Read-Only and thus can't be updated
easily. Thus, its
> signature would go out of date rather rapidly.
>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
> Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
>
>



Posted by David H. Lipman on July 3, 2008, 5:04 pm
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| A well-made product of the kind I am describing contains a program to create
| that boot CD on demand, from the latest updates.

| It's the same model that ERD Commander uses to build new recovery boot CDs,
| installing different sets of device drivers on each build.

| If you have a suspect computer, you would go to the "safe" computer,
| download the latest virus files, then build a new boot CD and use it the
| same day to do your inspection of the infected computer.

| --
| Will

That's true. I explain such a concept in using a surrugate PC to download
updates for my
Multi AV Scanning tool and transferring the Multi AV to a thumb drive (or media,
preferrably Read/Write media) and then to an infected PC and boot from a DOS
Disk or a DOS
disk with NTFS4DOS.


Download MULTI_AV.EXE from the URL --
http://www.pctipp.ch/ds/28400/28470/Multi_AV.exe

http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

English:
http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2008/01/09/scan-your-computer-with-multiple-anti-virus-for-free/


--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp



Posted by Will on July 3, 2008, 6:50 pm
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>
> | A well-made product of the kind I am describing contains a program to
> create
> | that boot CD on demand, from the latest updates.
>
> | It's the same model that ERD Commander uses to build new recovery boot
> CDs,
> | installing different sets of device drivers on each build.
>
> | If you have a suspect computer, you would go to the "safe" computer,
> | download the latest virus files, then build a new boot CD and use it the
> | same day to do your inspection of the infected computer.
>
> | --
> | Will
>
> That's true. I explain such a concept in using a surrugate PC to download
> updates for my
> Multi AV Scanning tool and transferring the Multi AV to a thumb drive (or
> media,
> preferrably Read/Write media) and then to an infected PC and boot from a
> DOS Disk or a DOS
> disk with NTFS4DOS.
>
>
> Download MULTI_AV.EXE from the URL --
> http://www.pctipp.ch/ds/28400/28470/Multi_AV.exe
>
> http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
>
> English:
>
http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2008/01/09/scan-your-computer-with-multiple-anti-virus-for-free/

The idea of combining multiple anti-virus programs to one integrated
environment is nice. You would think someone would have figured out how to
sell that as a subscription service and then send out a new CD every two
weeks and charge for it? I would gladly pay and do not have the time to
put these kinds of packages together and then constantly update them.

--
Will



Posted by David H. Lipman on July 3, 2008, 7:02 pm
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| The idea of combining multiple anti-virus programs to one integrated
| environment is nice. You would think someone would have figured out how to
| sell that as a subscription service and then send out a new CD every two
| weeks and charge for it? I would gladly pay and do not have the time to
| put these kinds of packages together and then constantly update them.

| --
| Will

I provide the Multi AV Scanning Tool as CareWare.

If you find the tool useful and it has helped you -- Don't donate to me, donaye
to
charity. :-)


--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp



Posted by Twayne on July 4, 2008, 7:56 pm
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>>> Can someone recommend an anti-virus solution that lets you build a
>>> boot CD that will inspect the NTFS file system for trojans or
>>> viruses without any need to boot the OS on the file system you are
>>> inspecting?
>>
>> Thats not going to be too common, because its not a very effective
>> model for ongoing A/V protection.
>
> Day-to-day protection has to balance many different issues like
> intrusiveness and performance on a system under use. It's very easy
> to subvert modern virus checking programs with root kit viruses. The
> rootkit simply rewrites kernel functions and reports back to the
> virus checker only the data it wants the checker to see.
>
> Booting from a standalone CD is the only approach that guarantees
> that all files on the file system can be inspected by an OS and
> application that is not under control of a trojan or rootkit. It
> would be an extremely good way of checking for hidden files or
> folders that would otherwise be hidden from view if the rootkit were
> active.
> It's a shame if no anti-virus vendor has seen to create such a
> bootable CD.

Norton and, I think McAfee both allow that, actually. The only gotcha
is that only PART of the inspection can be done that way. Since virus
profiles are constantly changing, it will still have to access the drive
to get those signatures. But, it's still a very reliable way of
handling infections on PCs. A CD, once written and its session closed,
is not going to be affected by any virus or malware of any kind. So,
yes, the do it with the exception of using the signature files on the
hard drive.
I can't understand why everyone is saying no one does it; I just
pulled out my CD to make sure I'm right, and, well, I'm right! <g>.
Toss it in the drive, boot from it, the AV process automagically starts,
and off we go. It's not new; been this way for a long, long time.



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