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Zone alarm - bad experience Stephan Carydakis 04-01-2005
Posted by Stephan Carydakis on April 1, 2005, 8:05 am
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Hi All,

I have recently needed to install a firewall on my home puter (Win2k AS) as
there was allot of unwanted traffic coming in (especially to MS-SQL server)
on my aDSL connection. I read some news groups for opinions and decided to
install Zone Alarm. I installed the latest free version and took up the free
15 day pro offer (even though I said I didn't want the pro version).

Initially, my system was very slow. Apps would take minutes to open. Even
opening cmd took minutes at first. It also wouldn't let McAfee Virus Scan
Enterprise run. I would enable resident scan protection and seconds later
the CPU went 100% and after a minute or so Zone Alarm would disable resident
protection. I wasn't happy so I uninstalled. Well let me tell you that was
a mistake! I run a dev environment at home so I can support a client. This
includes Microsoft Content Management Server 2001, Site Server 3.0 (P&M),
MS-SQL Server 2000. Authentication between MCMS 2001 and Site Server stopped
working. Also, add-remove programs came up with script errors and IE was
ruined in a similar manner with script errors on any page I visited.

To fix this I had to run a Win2k upgrade which meant I had to re-install SP4
and all (around 45) hotfixes and patches. Then I had to uninstall/install
Site Server and MCMS 2001. The win2k upgrade also managed to kill a couple
of other things but they where reasonably easy to remedy by re-installing a
couple of drivers.

Anyone else had this type of experience? Can anyone recommend any other
firewall free or not? I don't mind paying for a product but if I had payed
for ZA I would have been very disappointed (assuming I'm stupid enough to
buy before I try).

Thanks,

Stephan Carydakis




Posted by Woody on March 31, 2005, 11:19 pm
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It sounds like you have a very corrupted system. If you have been running a
broadband connection without a firewall it takes less than 15 seconds for
your system to be corrupted. With all the traffic coming in zonealarm was
using all your computer power processing the incoming hits. If you are going
to run servers you need to start educating yourself on the correct ways to
secure your system. This means read, read , read......


> Hi All,
>
> I have recently needed to install a firewall on my home puter (Win2k AS)
> as
> there was allot of unwanted traffic coming in (especially to MS-SQL
> server)
> on my aDSL connection. I read some news groups for opinions and decided to
> install Zone Alarm. I installed the latest free version and took up the
> free
> 15 day pro offer (even though I said I didn't want the pro version).
>
> Initially, my system was very slow. Apps would take minutes to open. Even
> opening cmd took minutes at first. It also wouldn't let McAfee Virus Scan
> Enterprise run. I would enable resident scan protection and seconds later
> the CPU went 100% and after a minute or so Zone Alarm would disable
> resident
> protection. I wasn't happy so I uninstalled. Well let me tell you that
> was
> a mistake! I run a dev environment at home so I can support a client.
> This
> includes Microsoft Content Management Server 2001, Site Server 3.0 (P&M),
> MS-SQL Server 2000. Authentication between MCMS 2001 and Site Server
> stopped
> working. Also, add-remove programs came up with script errors and IE was
> ruined in a similar manner with script errors on any page I visited.
>
> To fix this I had to run a Win2k upgrade which meant I had to re-install
> SP4
> and all (around 45) hotfixes and patches. Then I had to uninstall/install
> Site Server and MCMS 2001. The win2k upgrade also managed to kill a couple
> of other things but they where reasonably easy to remedy by re-installing
> a
> couple of drivers.
>
> Anyone else had this type of experience? Can anyone recommend any other
> firewall free or not? I don't mind paying for a product but if I had payed
> for ZA I would have been very disappointed (assuming I'm stupid enough to
> buy before I try).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stephan Carydakis
>
>




Posted by Stephan Carydakis on April 1, 2005, 1:00 pm
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Hi Woody,

I dont think my system is very corrupted It's working fine now, humming
along. I use a dial up PPoE and only connect to the internet when needed.
There where a few unwanted packets ZA was catching but not heaps. It wasn't
using much cpu just sitting there, only when I tried to run any software! I
have done a bit of reading. Played with ipsec to make a firewall but its
clunky and I'm not that into security. Want a nice gui!

Thanks for you time.

Steph.

> It sounds like you have a very corrupted system. If you have been running
a
> broadband connection without a firewall it takes less than 15 seconds for
> your system to be corrupted. With all the traffic coming in zonealarm was
> using all your computer power processing the incoming hits. If you are
going
> to run servers you need to start educating yourself on the correct ways to
> secure your system. This means read, read , read......
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have recently needed to install a firewall on my home puter (Win2k AS)
> > as
> > there was allot of unwanted traffic coming in (especially to MS-SQL
> > server)
> > on my aDSL connection. I read some news groups for opinions and decided
to
> > install Zone Alarm. I installed the latest free version and took up the
> > free
> > 15 day pro offer (even though I said I didn't want the pro version).
> >
> > Initially, my system was very slow. Apps would take minutes to open.
Even
> > opening cmd took minutes at first. It also wouldn't let McAfee Virus
Scan
> > Enterprise run. I would enable resident scan protection and seconds
later
> > the CPU went 100% and after a minute or so Zone Alarm would disable
> > resident
> > protection. I wasn't happy so I uninstalled. Well let me tell you that
> > was
> > a mistake! I run a dev environment at home so I can support a client.
> > This
> > includes Microsoft Content Management Server 2001, Site Server 3.0
(P&M),
> > MS-SQL Server 2000. Authentication between MCMS 2001 and Site Server
> > stopped
> > working. Also, add-remove programs came up with script errors and IE was
> > ruined in a similar manner with script errors on any page I visited.
> >
> > To fix this I had to run a Win2k upgrade which meant I had to re-install
> > SP4
> > and all (around 45) hotfixes and patches. Then I had to
uninstall/install
> > Site Server and MCMS 2001. The win2k upgrade also managed to kill a
couple
> > of other things but they where reasonably easy to remedy by
re-installing
> > a
> > couple of drivers.
> >
> > Anyone else had this type of experience? Can anyone recommend any other
> > firewall free or not? I don't mind paying for a product but if I had
payed
> > for ZA I would have been very disappointed (assuming I'm stupid enough
to
> > buy before I try).
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Stephan Carydakis
> >
> >
>
>




Posted by Leythos on March 31, 2005, 11:32 pm
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 08:05:52 +1000, Stephan Carydakis wrote:
>
> I have recently needed to install a firewall on my home puter (Win2k AS)
> as there was allot of unwanted traffic coming in (especially to MS-SQL
> server) on my aDSL connection.

Very bad move - there is no PERSONAL Firewall application that should be
run on a Server that is going to be totally compliant with the OS. In
fact, I think that ZA specifically stats that it's not for a server.

Windows 2000 Advanced Server is quite a nice setup, I have more than 12 of
them here. At the very least you need to setup a barrier appliance in
front of your network to block unsolicited traffic BEFORE it reaches your
network.

If you didn't have a firewall in place, or even a simple NAT Router, and
your server was online, I would suspect that your server is already
compromised, even if you don't personally see it.

First step is to get a barrier device that works with your DSL service -
most of the Linksys units (BEFSR41 as an example) will directly connect to
a DSL PPOE service and maintain the connection. You can then setup port
forwarding to allow just the ports you want the public to access through
to the server (never allow ANY SQL ports access via public connections).

Once you get the Router/NAT you won't need a personal firewall running on
your server, but, unless you really understand security you are going to
get compromised in short order - the service patches and updates don't
secure the server. IIS is easy to compromise on a default install system,
please look for how to secure IIS, MS has many articles on it.

You might also want to block outbound ports 135~139,445,1433/1434 so that
when your server gets compromised, that it can't use simple means to get
to other machines.

Also, don't settle for personal AV software, get a quality SERVER type
antivirus application to protect it.

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Posted by Stephan Carydakis on April 1, 2005, 12:54 pm
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> On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 08:05:52 +1000, Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> >
> > I have recently needed to install a firewall on my home puter (Win2k AS)
> > as there was allot of unwanted traffic coming in (especially to MS-SQL
> > server) on my aDSL connection.
>
> Very bad move - there is no PERSONAL Firewall application that should be
> run on a Server that is going to be totally compliant with the OS. In
> fact, I think that ZA specifically stats that it's not for a server.
>
I do realise that it is not the best idea to run a firewall on a server.
Even though I do work from home occassionally and I do support a client on
this machine, I dont want (or need) to set up anything more serious than
what I have at the moment. I do have and old P3 celery stick which I run win
98 on to do testing sometimes. Maybe I will use this?

> Windows 2000 Advanced Server is quite a nice setup, I have more than 12 of
> them here. At the very least you need to setup a barrier appliance in
> front of your network to block unsolicited traffic BEFORE it reaches your
> network.
>
If I do this, I would have to setup routing from that machine to my inside
network yes? My Win2k box is multi-homed and also run wins, dhcp, dns and is
a DC. I also used to have MS's routing and remote access doing my routing
between my 'outside' network and my internal network but it was fickle and
often used to break. Not knowing enough about routing and route tables, I
used to have to reboot my machine to get the routes back when they broke.

> If you didn't have a firewall in place, or even a simple NAT Router, and
> your server was online, I would suspect that your server is already
> compromised, even if you don't personally see it.

My modem does NAT . It is a netcomm nb 1300

> First step is to get a barrier device that works with your DSL service -
> most of the Linksys units (BEFSR41 as an example) will directly connect to
> a DSL PPOE service and maintain the connection. You can then setup port
> forwarding to allow just the ports you want the public to access through
> to the server (never allow ANY SQL ports access via public connections).

I haven't added any forwads on the modem. I'll have to have a look. Its got
a nice HTML interface for setting it up.

> Once you get the Router/NAT you won't need a personal firewall running on
> your server, but, unless you really understand security you are going to
> get compromised in short order - the service patches and updates don't
> secure the server. IIS is easy to compromise on a default install system,
> please look for how to secure IIS, MS has many articles on it.

Used the IIS lockdown tool.

> You might also want to block outbound ports 135~139,445,1433/1434 so that
> when your server gets compromised, that it can't use simple means to get
> to other machines.
>
> Also, don't settle for personal AV software, get a quality SERVER type
> antivirus application to protect it.

I like Virus Scan Enterprise 8, It has access protection, buffer overflow
protection and unwanted programs policies and block ports.

> --
> spam999free@rrohio.com
> remove 999 in order to email me
>

Thanks for your advice. Given that in the short term I'm probably going to
have to run a firewall on the server, can you recommend any?
Thanks again,

Steph.




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