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Netbios questions... Kerodo 02-19-2005
Posted by Kerodo on February 19, 2005, 6:19 pm
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Can someone explain a few things about Netbios for me? I'm running a Win2k
machine here, no router, connected to the internet via a cable modem. The
usual software firewalls. I was playing around today and am confused about
a few things now.

I unloaded the software firewall (disabled it) and went to scan.sygate.com
and did some scans. First, I did a TCP scan, and it showed that my ISP is
blocking ports 135, 137-139 and so on. When I do a UDP scan, it says that
my ports 137-139 are OPEN.

Question: Why would my ISP block TCP Netbios, but not UDP Netbios? Isn't
Netbios UDP anyway?

Another question: If I ran without any firewall under the above
conditions, would people then be able to see what's on my hard drive via
UDP Netbios? Or is a TCP connection needed for this? Am I in danger with
UDP Netbios ports open but TCP Netbios ports blocked?

I also went into Windows network places config and disabled Netbios
completely and unchecked the other networking boxes. Just left TCP/IP
intact. So Netbios should be disabled. However, when I do a UDP scan at
Sygate, it still shows my 137-139 ports OPEN. What and why is this???

I'd appreciate any answers/comments to these questions. They probably show
my ignorance, but I'm curious. Don't have much experience with Netbios or
networks... Thanks to any and all...

--
Kerodo


Posted by dak on February 20, 2005, 1:08 am
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wrote:

>Can someone explain a few things about Netbios for me? I'm running a Win2k
>machine here, no router, connected to the internet via a cable modem. The
>usual software firewalls. I was playing around today and am confused about
>a few things now.
>
This might be of some help to you - start at
<http://www.grc.com/su-explain.htm>, which is page 2, and work your way
to page 5, paying especially close attention to pages 4 and 5.
I think you'll find your explanations/answers there, with some
suggestions/directions on changes you can make.

--
dak
My SpywareBlaster Custom Blocking List:
<http://customblockinglist.cjb.net/>


Posted by Don Kelloway on February 20, 2005, 4:58 am
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> Can someone explain a few things about Netbios for me? I'm running a
> Win2k
> machine here, no router, connected to the internet via a cable modem. The
> usual software firewalls. I was playing around today and am confused
> about
> a few things now.
>
> I unloaded the software firewall (disabled it) and went to scan.sygate.com
> and did some scans. First, I did a TCP scan, and it showed that my ISP is
> blocking ports 135, 137-139 and so on. When I do a UDP scan, it says that
> my ports 137-139 are OPEN.
>
> Question: Why would my ISP block TCP Netbios, but not UDP Netbios? Isn't
> Netbios UDP anyway?
>
> Another question: If I ran without any firewall under the above
> conditions, would people then be able to see what's on my hard drive via
> UDP Netbios? Or is a TCP connection needed for this? Am I in danger with
> UDP Netbios ports open but TCP Netbios ports blocked?
>
> I also went into Windows network places config and disabled Netbios
> completely and unchecked the other networking boxes. Just left TCP/IP
> intact. So Netbios should be disabled. However, when I do a UDP scan at
> Sygate, it still shows my 137-139 ports OPEN. What and why is this???
>
> I'd appreciate any answers/comments to these questions. They probably
> show
> my ignorance, but I'm curious. Don't have much experience with Netbios or
> networks... Thanks to any and all...
>

TCP port 139 and UDP ports 137-138 are used for Microsoft NetBIOS

TCP port 139 is used to connect to a mapped/shared drive or directory on a
Windows PC.

UDP port 137-138 is used to enumerate a Windows PC.

For reference TCP/UDP port 135 is used for Microsoft RPC.

--
Best regards, from Don Kelloway of Commodon Communications
Visit http://www.commodon.com to learn about the "Threats to Your Security
on the Internet".




Posted by Gerald Vogt on February 20, 2005, 11:36 am
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Kerodo wrote:
> I also went into Windows network places config and disabled Netbios
> completely and unchecked the other networking boxes. Just left TCP/IP
> intact. So Netbios should be disabled. However, when I do a UDP scan at
> Sygate, it still shows my 137-139 ports OPEN. What and why is this???

First, make sure that they are really open. Use "netstat -a" or TCPView
or something similar to check the condition. Did you reboot the system
after you made the changes? I think you have to reboot to make sure the
changes have been made.

To disable services listening to ports 137-139: (I write everything as I
am not sure what you did exactly. I have to translate from my German
Windows XP so I my not always have the correct wording of the buttons
etc. As far as I know, all those steps should work for W2K, too.)

- disable NetBIOS over TCP/IP in the WINS tab of the extended TCP/IP
Options (Properties of the network connection, select "Internet Protocol
(TCP/IP)", "Properites...", "Extended...", "WINS" tab, deactive NetBIOS
over TCP/IP.

- for the network connection deactivate all components except the
internet protocol. (Properties of the network connection)

- in the Explorer window of your network and dialup connections (network
places config) select the menu "Extended" and there the "Extended Settings".

- choose the tab for network cards and bindings. Remove the bindings for
all components. (uncheck everything).

This should close ports 137,138,139 and 445.

You can have a look at http://www.ntsvcfg.de/kss_w2k/kss_w2k.html#w2knetbios
It is in German but the pictures should give you an indication what it
looks like and what I meant. (I hope ;-)

Gerald


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