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Firewall newbie! Which free one?? mcv 09-05-2006
Posted by Garrot on September 9, 2006, 3:38 pm
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Leythos wrote:

> You misunderstood what I said again - REAL_TIME MONITORING - there is
> nothing to see in Windows Firewall for ports being used.

Then get a port monitor.

Posted by Leythos on September 9, 2006, 4:42 pm
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> Leythos wrote:
>
> > You misunderstood what I said again - REAL_TIME MONITORING - there is
> > nothing to see in Windows Firewall for ports being used.
>
> Then get a port monitor.

A firewall doesn't have to do application control, and many will let you
block ports without applications being part of the rules.

So, it seems that Windows XP Firewall is not any better than PFW
solutions, and have been proven to be worse.

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Posted by Thomas on September 9, 2006, 4:11 pm
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Leythos schrieb:

> thomas.hertel@gmx.net says...

> You misunderstood what I said again - REAL_TIME MONITORING - there is
> nothing to see in Windows Firewall for ports being used.

What is real time monitoring? Once your monitor shows you something,
this has happened in the past. You cannot do anything about it any
more.
>
> > > 4) Most PFW solutions provide for real-time traffic display (and I'm not
> > > talking about apps, just traffic), so they are better than XP Firewall.
> >
> > No. They show the traffic they can detect. As an example they will not
> > display any traffic that $malware tunnels through your browser because
> > for them browser traffic is legitimate. After all, you allowed IE to
> > access the net - or maybe Firefox :-)
>
> Wrong, again, they show traffic, some of them, by port, not application.
> I don't care what uses IE, permitted or not, as I don't care about
> possible application control, again, it's about what ports are in use
> ONLY.

And what do you think is it that uses ports. Maybe applications?

> Stop thinking application control, think port control only.

I have never thought about application control. I was actually trying
to explain that this cannot work.

Regards
Thomas


Posted by Leythos on September 9, 2006, 4:46 pm
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thomas.hertel@gmx.net says...
>
> Leythos schrieb:
>
> > thomas.hertel@gmx.net says...
>
> > You misunderstood what I said again - REAL_TIME MONITORING - there is
> > nothing to see in Windows Firewall for ports being used.
>
> What is real time monitoring? Once your monitor shows you something,
> this has happened in the past. You cannot do anything about it any
> more.

Wrong, if you can detect port traffic you can do anything you want,
without that information you don't have a clue.

> > > > 4) Most PFW solutions provide for real-time traffic display (and I'm not
> > > > talking about apps, just traffic), so they are better than XP Firewall.
> > >
> > > No. They show the traffic they can detect. As an example they will not
> > > display any traffic that $malware tunnels through your browser because
> > > for them browser traffic is legitimate. After all, you allowed IE to
> > > access the net - or maybe Firefox :-)
> >
> > Wrong, again, they show traffic, some of them, by port, not application.
> > I don't care what uses IE, permitted or not, as I don't care about
> > possible application control, again, it's about what ports are in use
> > ONLY.
>
> And what do you think is it that uses ports. Maybe applications?

It doesn't matter what is using the port, only that it's being used. If
I don't know that my computer is using TCP 1434 to connect to a computer
in china, then it doesn't matter what application is using that port. If
I know that the port is in use, then I can start checking as to why.

> > Stop thinking application control, think port control only.
>
> I have never thought about application control. I was actually trying
> to explain that this cannot work.

Port tracking/monitoring does work, but Windows XP firewall can't tell
you what ports are in use.... Something most PFW's can tell you.

So, again, another failure of Windows XP Firewall to provide basic
firewall functions.

If they didn't call it a firewall I would have no issues with the
product.

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Posted by Duane Arnold on September 5, 2006, 7:29 pm
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>>>I like using Zone alarm on both my computers, win 2k and xp pro.
>>
>>So if you're not using your computers in a productive way, why do you want
>>a firewall?
>
>
> Why are you always condescending to people when the come here asking
> honest questions?
>
> ZoneAlarm is at least as reliable as XP's built-in port blocker, and in
> the right hands, it's more reliable.

LOL, you might as well ask a blind man from birth why he is blind. The
response from the blind man will be *it's just the way it is and I am
what I am.* Apparently, he don't know any better and he can't change, as
he was brought up that way.

Duane :)

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