Re: How safe is Tor for logging into http (nont https) web sites

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Re: How safe is Tor for logging into http (nont https) web sites Joan Battaglia 10-27-2007
Posted by Franklin on October 30, 2007, 1:03 pm
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> Franklin wrote:
>
>>
>> > hummingbird wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:04:57 +0100 (CET) 'Anonymous' wrote
>> >> this on alt.comp.freeware:
>> >> >you're argue that someone who knows your IP address really
>> >> >doesn't know who you are
>> >>
>> >> Which is a fact.
>> >
>> > Only by the most narrow, cherry picked definition of "fact".
>> > To an attacker it's as good as a fingerprint. To law enforcement
>> > it is.
>> >
>> > But please, don't let reality encroach on a perfectly good
>> > semantics quibble.
>>
>>
>> Hummingbird will even qibble about quibbles if you let him! He's
>> a mster at that.
>
> This being cross posted from groups I normally read I'm not yet
> thoroughly acquainted with with this particular humping bird, but I
> certainly know the type.
>
> Nothing I've seen so far gives me any cause to believe you're not
> 100% spot on though. ;)
>


Hummingbird is an idiot of the first order.

Hummingbird likes fake indignation and will squeal like a piglet when
pretending to be outraged. He then threatens to call in the
international Internet Interpol or something like that just because
someone clicked the link marked "profile" in Google Groups or found
something he posted a while ago.

What a twat.

If you mention his predatory gay holidays in sex dens in Thailand and
Brazil he will 100 percent flatly deny everything ... until you show
him a link to the hotel guestbook that he signed.

We have a real net k00k in ACF. Your own group must have some wackos
like him. You wouldn't want to take our wacko back with you, would you?
Heh!

Posted by Ari on October 29, 2007, 2:30 am
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:11:50 +0100 (CET), Anonymous wrote:

> hummingbird wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:04:57 +0100 (CET) 'Anonymous'
> > wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:
> > >you're argue that someone who knows
> > >your IP address really doesn't know who you are
> >
> > Which is a fact.
>
> Only by the most narrow, cherry picked definition of "fact".
>
> To an attacker it's as good as a fingerprint. To law enforcement it is.
>
> But please, don't let reality encroach on a perfectly good semantics
> quibble.

Wouldn't think of it. Excuse me.

"Butter on that popcorn, no salt, thanks..."

OK, reality, lessee, IP addresses expose exact identities. Wait...

"Yes, I'll take a another bag..."

Continue..

Munch, munch, munch....

Posted by Ari on October 29, 2007, 2:33 am
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:11:50 +0100 (CET), Anonymous wrote:

> You at least managed to get that much right. From headers are almost
> universally arbitrary strings under total control of the sender.
> They're irrelevant.
>
> IP addresses are another matter entirely. You can't type random digits
> in the "IP" field and expect them to stick.

Of, shit, I'm full of popcorn. Oh well.

"Another bag, looks like we got a running carnival show here. More butter
please"

Where were we. es, you are about to explain how an IP address identifies a
person. GO! Popcorn is delivered.

Munch, munch, munch, munch.......

Posted by Anonymous Sender on October 29, 2007, 9:55 pm
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Ari wrote:

> Of, shit, I'm full

We know this. *chuckle*


Posted by hummingbird on October 29, 2007, 8:56 am
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On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:11:50 +0100 (CET) 'Anonymous'
wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

>hummingbird wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 00:04:57 +0100 (CET) 'Anonymous'
>> wrote this on alt.comp.freeware:

>> >you're argue that someone who knows
>> >your IP address really doesn't know who you are
>>
>> Which is a fact.


>Only by the most narrow, cherry picked definition of "fact".
>
>To an attacker it's as good as a fingerprint. To law enforcement it is.

er... no. Like all evidence, a matching IP address is only *one*
piece of evidence. It becomes near worthless if a user demonstrates
that other users have access to the same IP address.
And for accusers to assert otherwise simply tells you the lynch-mob
mentality of many people on the Internet.

HOWEVER, I would agree that an IP address probably scores more
evidential points that some other pieces and I think that is the
validity of your earlier comment.

>But please, don't let reality encroach on a perfectly good semantics
>quibble.

No semantics intended, just a desire to make the point that there
are not two different standards of evidence: ie the Internet and the
real world.

There are people on this newsgroup - acf - who accuse others of
posting this/that merely on the basis of noticing that two posters
are using the same news client program. It's a childrens game.

>> Even if you use a real-life name, that still doesn't tell anybody
>> who you really are. I've been doing it for years. People often use
>> fake real-life names to satisfy and fool stalkers.


>You at least managed to get that much right. From headers are almost
>universally arbitrary strings under total control of the sender.
>They're irrelevant.

Totally agree.

>IP addresses are another matter entirely. You can't type random digits
>in the "IP" field and expect them to stick.

Agree but see my above comments on IP addresses.

--
uh oh...black helicopter ... gotta run

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