Re: Could it be that OpenOffice binary has NSA spyware in it?

Re: Could it be that OpenOffice binary has NSA spyware in it?

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Re: Could it be that OpenOffice binary has NSA spyware in it? Colin B. 07-26-2007
Posted by Ari on July 26, 2007, 10:10 pm
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On 26 Jul 2007 21:13:35 GMT, Juergen Nieveler wrote:

>
>> Look at it another way: Are there any major hardware/software product
>> companies that have been shown to be illicitly collaborating with the
>> various three (or four) letter agencies?
>
> Crypto AG comes to mind...
>
> Juergen Nieveler

At&T and the NSA?
--
"You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself"
Ken Thompson "Reflections on Trusting Trust"
http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/

Posted by Barry Margolin on July 30, 2007, 10:21 pm
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> In comp.security.misc plenty560@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Has anybody here ever built OpenOffice from sources, or know of
> > someone who has recently, who can say that doing so is possible?
> >
> > I ask because I am curious as to whether I should be trusting
> > the binaries coming from Sun.
> >
> > After all, it seems that so many big US corporations are
> > eager to cave in to the demands of the NSA or RIAA/MPAA.
> > I have to wonder whether OO maybe has spyware in
> > the binary download that is not in the source code download.
> > AT&T, Comcast, etc... why would Sun be any less unethical?
>
> One could dismiss this as paranoid trolling or ranting. However, I'll
> take it as a serious question.
>
> First of all, you're blurring the difference between software companies
> and service providers. AT&T, Comcast, etc., don't provide software--they
> just sell service.

Actually, most ISPs *do* provide software, typically to brand browsers
with the ISP's name ("Internet Explorer powered by Comcast", or
something like that) or configure network settings (default home page,
SMTP/POP servers, etc.) automatically. Use of it is generally optional,
but lots of newbies don't realize that and dutifully install the ISP's
CD.

--
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
*** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***

Posted by on July 31, 2007, 12:09 pm
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barmar@alum.mit.edu says...
>
> > In comp.security.misc plenty560@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > Has anybody here ever built OpenOffice from sources, or know of
> > > someone who has recently, who can say that doing so is possible?
> > >
> > > I ask because I am curious as to whether I should be trusting
> > > the binaries coming from Sun.
> > >
> > > After all, it seems that so many big US corporations are
> > > eager to cave in to the demands of the NSA or RIAA/MPAA.
> > > I have to wonder whether OO maybe has spyware in
> > > the binary download that is not in the source code download.
> > > AT&T, Comcast, etc... why would Sun be any less unethical?
> >
> > One could dismiss this as paranoid trolling or ranting. However, I'll
> > take it as a serious question.
> >
> > First of all, you're blurring the difference between software companies
> > and service providers. AT&T, Comcast, etc., don't provide software--they
> > just sell service.
>
> Actually, most ISPs *do* provide software, typically to brand browsers
> with the ISP's name ("Internet Explorer powered by Comcast", or
> something like that) or configure network settings (default home page,
> SMTP/POP servers, etc.) automatically. Use of it is generally optional,
> but lots of newbies don't realize that and dutifully install the ISP's
> CD.
>
> --
> Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
> Arlington, MA
> *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
> *** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***
>

And of course if you have any microsoft software installed at all your PC
is a open book anyway. Both to the NSA and anyone else who can be
bothered enough to find out how to read it.

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