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Out of the Pond Chu Rey 06-01-2007
Posted by Chu Rey on June 1, 2007, 9:40 pm
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listing.
We're totally frustrated end users working with an international
retail company. We work in marketing, advertising.

We work in a very secure network with unbelievable constraints. To
protect the accounting department's databases we in the creative
section are unable to perform basic operations. Downloading software.
Adding the printers. Inserting usb devices. We are unable to start an
online retail business because of "security." We cannot take online
college courses. We are unable to explore opportunities using blogs.
We are prevented from checking out retail opportunities on MySpace,
and You Tube. We thought all these marketing business exploits would
be basic, normal internet activities. Just the usual day to day
operations in retail.

Here in this corporate office it's all convoluted passwords, secured
emails, and very limited internet site exploration. In the past month
the company was shut down twice because of hackers infiltrating the
business. Suspicious packets? Security specialist are paid to come in
and fix the compromised system. It's completely annoying. It's as
though the creative end is held hostage not from the outside hacking
violation but from the networking department.

A fellow worker thought why not just sign up for a Dsl service and run
a connection into our department. The cost for this would be around
$40.00 monthly. We have all those spare computers, monitors, hardward,
and so forth so the only cost to the company would be for a Dsl
connection.

We would be completely independent from the corporate network. No more
files sharing, print sharing, firewall security, changing passwords,
and so on. We would have two to four computers running on this
alternate connection. We would be able to do our work, unfettered,
without restraints.

We are so frustrated. One would have thought the network
administrators would have thought of this very simple arrangement. We
just want to get our job done. Create an online retail presence. Get
involved with the current technologies such as MySpace and YouTube.
Get savvy with integrated social networking. We need to think 'out of
the box' and somehow get out there into the internet ocean. This
marketing pond we are housed within is becoming very stagnant.

I would appreciate feedback on the plausibility of bringing in a line,
independent of the corporate network, so we can fully participate in
the internet retail experience.


Posted by Leythos on June 1, 2007, 10:29 pm
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blablababa@yahoo.com says...
> I would appreciate feedback on the plausibility of bringing in a line,
> independent of the corporate network, so we can fully participate in
> the internet retail experience.

Your account department could sit behind its own firewall and your other
departments could share services - if it's done right, the firewall will
not hinder accounting while blocking the rest of the company from
compromising accounting.

All of the security functions are good, but, it sounds like you have a
lot of idiots that don't understand this is COMPANY RESOURCES and
COMPANY NETWORK and want to do what the company has not permitted - when
at work don't do anything except work.

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Posted by Todd H. on June 1, 2007, 10:32 pm
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> Please direct us to another posting board if this is an inappropriate
> listing.
> We're totally frustrated end users working with an international
> retail company. We work in marketing, advertising.
>
> We work in a very secure network with unbelievable constraints. To
> protect the accounting department's databases we in the creative
> section are unable to perform basic operations.

Sounds like your network architecture rather sucks and needs to be
tiered into layers of increasing security.

> Downloading software. Adding the printers. Inserting usb
> devices. We are unable to start an online retail business because of
> "security." We cannot take online college courses. We are unable to
> explore opportunities using blogs. We are prevented from checking
> out retail opportunities on MySpace, and You Tube. We thought all
> these marketing business exploits would be basic, normal internet
> activities. Just the usual day to day operations in retail.
>
> Here in this corporate office it's all convoluted passwords, secured
> emails, and very limited internet site exploration. In the past month
> the company was shut down twice because of hackers infiltrating the
> business. Suspicious packets? Security specialist are paid to come in
> and fix the compromised system. It's completely annoying. It's as
> though the creative end is held hostage not from the outside hacking
> violation but from the networking department.
>
> A fellow worker thought why not just sign up for a Dsl service and run
> a connection into our department. The cost for this would be around
> $40.00 monthly. We have all those spare computers, monitors, hardward,
> and so forth so the only cost to the company would be for a Dsl
> connection.
>
> We would be completely independent from the corporate network. No more
> files sharing, print sharing, firewall security, changing passwords,
> and so on. We would have two to four computers running on this
> alternate connection. We would be able to do our work, unfettered,
> without restraints.

It's not a bad plan provided those machines really do operate
completely separately from the company LAN, and even if those 4
machines were infected to the hilt, no business impact would be seen
on your lan, then fine.


> We are so frustrated. One would have thought the network
> administrators would have thought of this very simple
> arrangement. We just want to get our job done. Create an online
> retail presence. Get involved with the current technologies such as
> MySpace and YouTube. Get savvy with integrated social
> networking. We need to think 'out of the box' and somehow get out
> there into the internet ocean. This marketing pond we are housed
> within is becoming very stagnant.
>
> I would appreciate feedback on the plausibility of bringing in a
> line, independent of the corporate network, so we can fully
> participate in the internet retail experience.

Plausible, reasonable, not terribly unheard of actually.

However, the same sort of arrangement can be made with a tiered
network architecture but it doesn't sound like the network folks are
free enough from firefighting survival mode with recent exploit and
incident activity to exactly be in the business of opening things
further. Even with all their restrictions, they seem to be having
quite a struggle with keeping incidents from occurring.

So your tack of going completely independent with DSL is both
technically and politically perhaps the path of least resistance.

But the key is to keep them independent of corporate systems. No
shuffling USB fobs back and forth, no VPN-ing into the corporate
network, etc. Otherwise, you still have many worries.

--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

Posted by Russell Wood on June 2, 2007, 8:44 am
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> Please direct us to another posting board if this is an inappropriate
> listing.
> We're totally frustrated end users working with an international
> retail company. We work in marketing, advertising.
>
> We work in a very secure network with unbelievable constraints. To
> protect the accounting department's databases we in the creative
> section are unable to perform basic operations. Downloading software.
> Adding the printers. Inserting usb devices. We are unable to start an
> online retail business because of "security." We cannot take online
> college courses. We are unable to explore opportunities using blogs.
> We are prevented from checking out retail opportunities on MySpace,
> and You Tube. We thought all these marketing business exploits would
> be basic, normal internet activities. Just the usual day to day
> operations in retail.
>
> Here in this corporate office it's all convoluted passwords, secured
> emails, and very limited internet site exploration. In the past month
> the company was shut down twice because of hackers infiltrating the
> business. Suspicious packets? Security specialist are paid to come in
> and fix the compromised system. It's completely annoying. It's as
> though the creative end is held hostage not from the outside hacking
> violation but from the networking department.
>
> A fellow worker thought why not just sign up for a Dsl service and run
> a connection into our department. The cost for this would be around
> $40.00 monthly. We have all those spare computers, monitors, hardward,
> and so forth so the only cost to the company would be for a Dsl
> connection.
>
> We would be completely independent from the corporate network. No more
> files sharing, print sharing, firewall security, changing passwords,
> and so on. We would have two to four computers running on this
> alternate connection. We would be able to do our work, unfettered,
> without restraints.
>
> We are so frustrated. One would have thought the network
> administrators would have thought of this very simple arrangement. We
> just want to get our job done. Create an online retail presence. Get
> involved with the current technologies such as MySpace and YouTube.
> Get savvy with integrated social networking. We need to think 'out of
> the box' and somehow get out there into the internet ocean. This
> marketing pond we are housed within is becoming very stagnant.
>
> I would appreciate feedback on the plausibility of bringing in a line,
> independent of the corporate network, so we can fully participate in
> the internet retail experience.

What company do you work for?

--
Russell Wood <http://www.dynode.net/~rjw/>

Posted by Chu Rey on June 2, 2007, 11:32 am
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Thanks for the responses. In the retail world especially in
advertising and online sales our marketing department needs to be
competitive. We know other online retail competitors are fully taking
advantage of available internet resources. Marketing creates, invents,
and packages a viable commercial product. Even upper tier management
feels the constraints and restrictions implemented by our
resourcefully thorough network personal. Privately the corporate
bosses complain -and have even opinioned that they feel held hostage
by this tightened security.

We can do our work but it's really with tied hands. For example if an
advertising agent creates a mini promo setting it up on YouTube we
have to go over to one of our retail stores to view the presentation!
If a client needs to ftp a portfolio into our corporate office that's
not permitted because ftp is disabled. We use an online file storage
client for this function. It's really counterproductive. If we had
that additional line, independent of the corporate network, we would
be exponential freer to execute our marketing skills. We need to know
in real time what is unfolding in the retail world. It's a simple
request.

It's a stations. In the current situation we have three channels. 2;
4; 7. What we need is the full sweep of channels -from 1- 150. This
would give us complete functionality. Yes we can work within the
constraints for 2,4,7. But it is very limiting.
Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> > Please direct us to another posting board if this is an inappropriate
> > listing.
> > We're totally frustrated end users working with an international
> > retail company. We work in marketing, advertising.
>
> > We work in a very secure network with unbelievable constraints. To
> > protect the accounting department's databases we in the creative
> > section are unable to perform basic operations. Downloading software.
> > Adding the printers. Inserting usb devices. We are unable to start an
> > online retail business because of "security." We cannot take online
> > college courses. We are unable to explore opportunities using blogs.
> > We are prevented from checking out retail opportunities on MySpace,
> > and You Tube. We thought all these marketing business exploits would
> > be basic, normal internet activities. Just the usual day to day
> > operations in retail.
>
> > Here in this corporate office it's all convoluted passwords, secured
> > emails, and very limited internet site exploration. In the past month
> > the company was shut down twice because of hackers infiltrating the
> > business. Suspicious packets? Security specialist are paid to come in
> > and fix the compromised system. It's completely annoying. It's as
> > though the creative end is held hostage not from the outside hacking
> > violation but from the networking department.
>
> > A fellow worker thought why not just sign up for a Dsl service and run
> > a connection into our department. The cost for this would be around
> > $40.00 monthly. We have all those spare computers, monitors, hardward,
> > and so forth so the only cost to the company would be for a Dsl
> > connection.
>
> > We would be completely independent from the corporate network. No more
> > files sharing, print sharing, firewall security, changing passwords,
> > and so on. We would have two to four computers running on this
> > alternate connection. We would be able to do our work, unfettered,
> > without restraints.
>
> > We are so frustrated. One would have thought the network
> > administrators would have thought of this very simple arrangement. We
> > just want to get our job done. Create an online retail presence. Get
> > involved with the current technologies such as MySpace and YouTube.
> > Get savvy with integrated social networking. We need to think 'out of
> > the box' and somehow get out there into the internet ocean. This
> > marketing pond we are housed within is becoming very stagnant.
>
> > I would appreciate feedback on the plausibility of bringing in a line,
> > independent of the corporate network, so we can fully participate in
> > the internet retail experience.
>
> What company do you work for?
>
> --
> Russell Wood <http://www.dynode.net/~rjw/>- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thanks for the responses. In the retail world especially in
advertising and online sales our marketing department needs to be
competitive. We know other online retail competitors are fully taking
advantage of available internet resources. Marketing creates, invents,
and packages a viable commercial product. Even upper tier management
feels the constraints and restrictions implemented by our
resourcefully thorough network personal. Privately the corporate
bosses complain -and have even opinioned that they feel held hostage
by this tightened security.

We can do our work but it's really with tied hands. For example if an
advertising agent creates a mini promo setting it up on YouTube we
have to go over to one of our retail stores to view the presentation!
If a client needs to ftp a portfolio into our corporate office that's
not permitted because ftp is disabled. We use an online file storage
client for this function. It's really counterproductive. If we had
that additional line, independent of the corporate network, we would
be exponential freer to execute our marketing skills. We need to know
in real time what is unfolding in the retail world. It's a simple
request.

It's a stations. In the current situation we have three channels. 2;
4; 7. What we need is the full sweep of channels -from 1- 150. This
would give us complete functionality. Yes we can work within the
constraints for 2,4,7. But it is very limiting.
Thanks



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