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Posted by Doc on July 7, 2005, 10:24 pm
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Someone brought up the idea of gov't monitoring of e-mail. I'm not a tech,
but clearly to do this, they'd have to be in the transmission chain
somewhere. Is this done or is it just an urban legend? Can ISP's be
compelled to allow a government agency to tap in to their system, and do so
without warning to the users of the ISP?
Another way I suppose would be an unscrupulous employee at an ISP. Any
documented cases of this happening?
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Posted by Unruh on July 7, 2005, 10:29 pm
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>Someone brought up the idea of gov't monitoring of e-mail. I'm not a tech,
>but clearly to do this, they'd have to be in the transmission chain
Yes, or the ISP could be ordered to forward the info to the gov't.
very easy to set up in any mailer software.
>somewhere. Is this done or is it just an urban legend? Can ISP's be
>compelled to allow a government agency to tap in to their system, and do so
Yes--called a warrent. In some countries not even that is needed and the
ISP could be criminally liable if he told anyone that he had been asked to
forward all messages.
>without warning to the users of the ISP?
Yes.
>Another way I suppose would be an unscrupulous employee at an ISP. Any
>documented cases of this happening?
Yes, but cannot quote one to you.
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Posted by speeder on July 7, 2005, 10:56 pm
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>Someone brought up the idea of gov't monitoring of e-mail. I'm not a tech,
>but clearly to do this, they'd have to be in the transmission chain
>somewhere. Is this done or is it just an urban legend? Can ISP's be
>compelled to allow a government agency to tap in to their system, and do so
>without warning to the users of the ISP?
>
>Another way I suppose would be an unscrupulous employee at an ISP. Any
>documented cases of this happening?
>
Isn't this done already with ECHELON? No need for ISP involvement of
any kind.
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Posted by Leythos on July 7, 2005, 11:07 pm
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> Someone brought up the idea of gov't monitoring of e-mail. I'm not a tech,
> but clearly to do this, they'd have to be in the transmission chain
> somewhere. Is this done or is it just an urban legend? Can ISP's be
> compelled to allow a government agency to tap in to their system, and do so
> without warning to the users of the ISP?
Anyone in the path can monitor anything you are doing - just accept it
as you can't change it. Your ISP can, and may, monitor everything you
are doing at any time without your being notified.
> Another way I suppose would be an unscrupulous employee at an ISP. Any
> documented cases of this happening?
Actually, that would be a scrupulous employee, as most of them would not
have the time to do something like it unless directed.
In a business setting, they can and probably do, monitor anything on
their networks and systems, again, accept it, you don't have a right to
question it.
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Posted by Fred Gold on July 8, 2005, 1:00 pm
If you were Registered and logged in, you could reply and use other advanced thread options > Someone brought up the idea of gov't monitoring of e-mail. I'm not a tech,
> but clearly to do this, they'd have to be in the transmission chain
> somewhere. Is this done or is it just an urban legend? Can ISP's be
> compelled to allow a government agency to tap in to their system, and do
> so
> without warning to the users of the ISP?
>
> Another way I suppose would be an unscrupulous employee at an ISP. Any
> documented cases of this happening?
>
>
Doc,
Prepare yourself for a shock; interception of all electronic communications
(email, fax, phone calls, etc.) is routine, and has been happening for
decades. Shortly after WW2, the UK, the USA, Canada, Australia, and New
Zealand banded together for Project Echelon -- a quick trip to your
favourite search engine should give you all of the information that you'll
need. BTW, this happens with or without the consent of your ISP.
This project has been formally acknowledged by all of the participants, with
the notable exception of the USA, who still claim that they would never do
such a thing.
So, yes, they're watching you! However, as long as you don't mention
"bomb", "target", "Bush", "idiot", and "London" in the same sentence, you
should be okay.
Regards,
Fred.
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