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Posted by warf on December 12, 2006, 11:21 pm
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I am sick to death of this P.O.S. HP pavillion DV8310. For a month I
have been trying to deal with the trial-ware it comes with and the 135
trusted modules grabbing internet access....WTF does my keyboard driver
need internet access for?
I notice the trial version of Norton I-net suite disallows me to remove
the trusted pre-installed programs from HP! Essentials like MS-Explorer
and System...can be removed but not Scvhost called from elsewhere. It
appears to me that Norton has been engaged in hiding my user data export
to HP and points unknown.
SO I tried:
MSconfig and removing all the startup files. RESULT- can't play a DVD
but still get phonehomes.
Services.msc and removed as many sneaky non-esential services as i could
by trial and error. Even then there appear to be LSPs acting at the
kernal level that don;t even trigger Spybot teatimer that the registry
has been altered to reload the 'original confiruration' and allow
datamining.....although it is more restricted in what can call home to
HP modules.
REmoving all registry entries ans software that are not critical for
usability but restrict phonehome...RESULTS..dismal! I am in over my head.
I purchased ZA 2007 int-suite and it is better but Norton is very very
sticky and conflicts at times by leaving hidden modules that the HP
config ini restores on me.
Did I say I am in over my head????? I am learning a lot about the
efforst HP and MS are going to to get my data for free and
sureptitiously but not making much headway in the blocking and retaining
usability fight. For EG: if I deny access to the "quicklaunch" features
i may be saving my privacy but can't play a rented DVD and listen to it.
Win Media player10 is blocked from working if Sonic is active.
It started two years ago with a 7150 printer driver that was integrated
with phonehome 'no opt out' code. Tech supt finally conceded it was so
entrained it would not work without the phonehome module and offred my
money back saying "future printers would not have drivers integrated
with connectivity modules.....two years later and is far worse. Great
efforts have been made to make it harder to detect and remove.
There is a hidden HP directory with ini files that on inspection read
like " start c:\HP\bin\cloaker.exe c:customize PC ALL yadyada .bat and
so on.
I assume "cloaker.exe means "don;t expose the actions" no?
Given that HP spys on its own directors have I a hope in making a
machine i can connect to the internet and not broadcast the state of
every piece of software and every media file I ever connected remotely to?
Most firewalls and spyware utilities assume everything already loaded is
legit....and if teatimer is foiled this is happening at at lower level
than I can deal with directly right?
Miffed!
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Posted by Leythos on December 12, 2006, 11:20 pm
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> Did I say I am in over my head?????
Why don't you just wipe the machine, get the XP disk and install from
scratch, load only the drivers you need, then only load applications you
approve of?
The first thing I do with any new computer is wipe it and install from
scratch - and I'm not talking about the vendors recovery CD that
reinstalls everything.
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Posted by warf on December 13, 2006, 12:24 am
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>
>>Did I say I am in over my head?????
>
>
> Why don't you just wipe the machine, get the XP disk and install from
> scratch, load only the drivers you need, then only load applications you
> approve of?
>
> The first thing I do with any new computer is wipe it and install from
> scratch - and I'm not talking about the vendors recovery CD that
> reinstalls everything.
>
Therin lieth the problem....if I had the $350 XPdisk it would only be
half of the problem [aside from the fact Vist will be out next
month].....the drivers 'contain' the phonehome bug. I am just learning
about this decades tricks so when I read about LSPs and modules called
from other modules...beyond even scvhost generic... I wonder how the
hell I can defeat this HP practice when i can't get user functions
unless I use the HP trojan drivers?
I have a limited box and can't access the multimedia features if I block
access to any of these drivers...I found.
A V-OS was suggested but that is an order of complexity beyond my
skills....I bet.
still miffed
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Posted by Leythos on December 13, 2006, 4:22 am
If you were Registered and logged in, you could reply and use other advanced thread options > Leythos wrote:
> >
> >>Did I say I am in over my head?????
> >
> >
> > Why don't you just wipe the machine, get the XP disk and install from
> > scratch, load only the drivers you need, then only load applications you
> > approve of?
> >
> > The first thing I do with any new computer is wipe it and install from
> > scratch - and I'm not talking about the vendors recovery CD that
> > reinstalls everything.
> >
> Therin lieth the problem....if I had the $350 XPdisk it would only be
> half of the problem [aside from the fact Vist will be out next
> month].....the drivers 'contain' the phonehome bug.
Three things - Vista is not an option, don't even consider it for at
least 6 months after it comes out. Second, drivers don't phone home, but
the crap they bundle with them does, so, as I said, install what you
want. Third, XP is not $350, it's included with your computer and at the
worst, you might have to pay a small fee for a CD with it in case you
didn't make one when you got the machine.
> I am just learning
> about this decades tricks so when I read about LSPs and modules called
> from other modules...beyond even scvhost generic... I wonder how the
> hell I can defeat this HP practice when i can't get user functions
> unless I use the HP trojan drivers?
You could download the drivers from the vendors, such as the mouse,
video, nic, etc... but you would have to figure out what vendor made
what device in the system.
> I have a limited box and can't access the multimedia features if I block
> access to any of these drivers...I found.
> A V-OS was suggested but that is an order of complexity beyond my
> skills....I bet.
> still miffed
Answer me this - why do you care if the drivers phone home? It's not
like you've got a secure network anyway, not like you're designing
stealth armour on that HP, etc.... Let them phone home and then work to
replace them.
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Posted by warf on December 13, 2006, 8:06 am
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snip....
>>>Why don't you just wipe the machine, get the XP disk and install from
....snip
>
> Three things - Vista is not an option, don't even consider it for at
> least 6 months after it comes out. Second, drivers don't phone home, but
> the crap they bundle with them does, so, as I said, install what you
> want. Third, XP is not $350, it's included with your computer and at the
> worst, you might have to pay a small fee for a CD with it in case you
> didn't make one when you got the machine.
You are right, new releases are still beta releases...I still have
licensed CDs for W95, 95light, 98, 98SE [even ME] and 2000 with SP4...I
would like to use 2000 but I am told that is a step back in the security
aspect??? a full install XP CD costs $359 in Canada, an upgrade is
$250 and although I have three vintages of laptop with XP licenses I
can't seem to get a boot CD...and of course the REStore CDs are device
specific.
Am I able [allowed] to get an XP bootCD via one of the earlier laptop
licenses?
RE "drivers don;t phone home"..perhaps not in the strictest sense, but
my experience to date indicate that they are so closely tied to those
ancillary functions that many of them don't work without them. For EG:
HP7150 printer driver, HP Quicklaunch audio and a slew of others as
verified by HP tech support... To be precise, it may be due to LSP
functions, other modules waiting for a response etc. The end result is
"they cease to perform unless given internet access.
Even the "make Restore DVD" function hangs at 33% unless connected to
the internet at some point. HP has a notye saying "if the 3rd and final
DVD appears to hang at 33% wait up to 5 minutes and it will continue".
Three failed 3rd DVDs proved that it is waiting for an internet
connection because it would not complete even after half a day until I
plugged in the ethernet cable and restored the connection. That tidbit
is not stated in the HP instructions.
snip..
> You could download the drivers from the vendors, such as the mouse,
> video, nic, etc... but you would have to figure out what vendor made
> what device in the system.
snip...
>
> Answer me this - why do you care if the drivers phone home? It's not
> like you've got a secure network anyway, not like you're designing
> stealth armour on that HP, etc.... Let them phone home and then work to
> replace them.
The answer to that is the same answer as "why didn't you let them use
your car without your permission, or Why do you care if someone is
eavesdropping on your phone or has a duplicate mailbox key or tracks you
purchase habits surreptitiously".
Answer: If I were asked up front "what software are you using and for
what purposes?", Do you have licenses for same?", what music and movies
do you own-rent-purchase-download..?", "what are the contents of your
damned clipboard?", what websites have you typed in, been directed to,
saved in favorites...ad infinitum?" I would have no problem answering
those I felt relevant and opting out of those I feel I should be
remunerated for since data is money. But it done with guileful and
purposeful intent and is far beyond the slippery slope.
Finally, with all the "Trusted" data and port opening how in the world
can a person spot a serious illegal subtrifuge or even a spambot?
The quickest way to mask the serious subversion is to deluge one with
low risk activities.
I to am at the point of saying, WTF, I have no real secrets but it bugs
me to know I am being manipulated in this way. I also would not feel
confident in doing online banking or purchasing. Even something as
simple as 'I subscribe to the World wildlife fund, or the NRA or...whatever.
I pay for the internet connection, I like to imagine I am still the
owner of my data and I dislike the duplicity of companies like HP and it
would appear MS.
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