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Full Disk Encryption Survey Saqib Ali 07-09-2007
Posted by Juergen Nieveler on July 13, 2007, 6:13 am
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> Thanks for the warning, I was going to install it on my laptop to
> test, but I think I'll use a spare now, until I know it works! I've
> heard from other people that it is stable, and offers all of the
> requirements listed below.

FWIW, no problems at all with SGE 4.2 at our company, and Utimaco lists
a number of reference customers - some of which DID get to check the
security of SGE in much more detail than for example Sebastian ;-)

(For example, the German Army uses it, and to do so required permission
from the government data security agency...)

>> Hm... what about actual security? In terms of encryption this means
>> to only Open Source software, due to a matter of trust and
>> verification of the implementation. CompuSec has already been
>> mentioned. SafeGuard Easy has been proven to be horrible insecure,
>> f.e. not properly locking memory regions and then letting the keys
>> being swapped out.

Which is totally and utterly meaningless in a switched-off laptop, which
is what SGE is designed to protect. All full-disc-encryption packages
have the "weakness" that they allow data to be accessed when the laptop
is on (even any Linux implementation) - after all, that's what they're
designed for.

How about stopping being a troll and actually sticking to the topic,
Sebastian?

> I assumed that most of the products mentioned used at least AES 128,
> and so were fairly equal in that respect. Certainly all the
> datasheets for PGP WDE, SafeGuard Easy, PointSec & CompuSec state
> that they are capable of AES 256, and PointSec & SafeGuard say they
> are FIPS 140-2 compliant.

They are. Sebastian means that there might be a chance to recover the
key when the laptop is running - which however is meaningless in any
realistic scenario, because if the laptop is stolen while switched on,
the files are accessible anyway®, even if the most secure unobtainium-
derived open-source software is used (that of course was compiled by a
self-written compiler, as you can't trust the compiler software
either....)


> My major reason for looking into this is in the event that one of our
> consultants has a laptop stolen, and someone might be able to retrieve
> clients confidential information from the hard disk.

Which is something those packages WILL protect you against, provided
the user didn't stick a post-it with the password to his laptop.

And even then, some packages (SGE, for example) allow you to require
authentication with a USB token (Alladin eToken, for SGE) instead of
username/password - which of course would mean that you have to teach
the user NOT to carry the token in the laptop bag ;-)



Juergen Nieveler
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Posted by Sebastian G. on July 13, 2007, 9:15 am
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Juergen Nieveler wrote:


>>> Hm... what about actual security? In terms of encryption this means
>>> to only Open Source software, due to a matter of trust and
>>> verification of the implementation. CompuSec has already been
>>> mentioned. SafeGuard Easy has been proven to be horrible insecure,
>>> f.e. not properly locking memory regions and then letting the keys
>>> being swapped out.
>
> Which is totally and utterly meaningless in a switched-off laptop, which
> is what SGE is designed to protect. All full-disc-encryption packages
> have the "weakness" that they allow data to be accessed when the laptop
> is on (even any Linux implementation) - after all, that's what they're
> designed for.


It was one example from the non-FDE products from Ultimaco provides. Over
the years we've seen many such implementation errors, and one really can't
reasonably trust the vendor for now having created a proper implementation.

>(that of course was compiled by a

> self-written compiler, as you can't trust the compiler software
> either....)


The issue about checking the correctness of the implementation. That means
not just the cipher, but also the key management (including key creation and
key destruction) and the rest (f.e. that it doesn't store a backup of the
key somewhere else). Didn't we learn something from PGP 5.x?

Posted by Juergen Nieveler on July 13, 2007, 3:57 pm
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> The issue about checking the correctness of the implementation. That
> means not just the cipher, but also the key management (including key
> creation and key destruction) and the rest (f.e. that it doesn't store
> a backup of the key somewhere else). Didn't we learn something from
> PGP 5.x?

AFAIK the BSI checked SGE before allowing the Bundeswehr to use it for
confidential documents, and so did NATO.

Of course, it all depends on your personal level of paranoia - even if
a product is secure enough to encrypt state secrets and
multi-billion-dollar trade information, is it secure enough for you? ;-)

Juergen Nieveler
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Posted by Sebastian G. on July 13, 2007, 6:18 pm
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Juergen Nieveler wrote:

>
>> The issue about checking the correctness of the implementation. That
>> means not just the cipher, but also the key management (including key
>> creation and key destruction) and the rest (f.e. that it doesn't store
>> a backup of the key somewhere else). Didn't we learn something from
>> PGP 5.x?
>
> AFAIK the BSI checked SGE before allowing the Bundeswehr to use it for
> confidential documents, and so did NATO.

>

> Of course, it all depends on your personal level of paranoia - even if
> a product is secure enough to encrypt state secrets and
> multi-billion-dollar trade information, is it secure enough for you? ;-)

Two words: Microsoft Windows

Posted by se on September 6, 2007, 4:35 am
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Just do not create a password reset floppy and you'll be fine. Make an mbr
backup with an external software. Free compusec allows one to create a
temporary service password. On login you have got 2 seconds to press F1
where you can set service password. Login is "Service". The password expires
automatically when user logs in with their login.


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