Yep. ~The only way to do that sort of trick is to restrict development
oto a small company owned by an interested party with some highly paid
and carefully vetted employees and make sure all your e.g. vote
rigging^H^H^H^H^Hrecording machines DO have a neat back door. :-)

Posted by Sebastian G. on March 5, 2008, 3:46 pm

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The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Sebastian G.

> wrote

> on Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:46:40 +0100

>> Bill Baka wrote:

>>>>> They do it because they can.

>>>> They don't do it because they can't.

>>> Do you ever get out??

>>> Just because you personally haven't gotten harassed by the government

>>> doesn't mean they aren't watching you.

>> No. You were claiming that they're accessing people's computers

>> at the time, by an included backdoor. And that's obviously nonsense.

> Not as obvious as one might think.

None of the things you mentioned gives any evidence that such a thing is
happening.

> I'd have to look to see how BitTorrent works but my understanding is that
> a daemon uses surplus bandwidth, for example.

Which is an obvious instance of the reasons why one shouldn't use untrusted
software. The BitTorrent client from Bram Cohen became untrustworthy when he
decided to cooperate with the media mafia.

Posted by The Ghost In The Machine on March 5, 2008, 6:29 pm

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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Sebastian G.
wrote
on Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:46:26 +0100

> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:

>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Sebastian G.

>> wrote

>> on Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:46:40 +0100

>>> Bill Baka wrote:

>>>

>>>>>> They do it because they can.

>>>>> They don't do it because they can't.

>>>> Do you ever get out??

>>>> Just because you personally haven't gotten harassed by the government

>>>> doesn't mean they aren't watching you.

>>>

>>> No. You were claiming that they're accessing people's computers

>>> at the time, by an included backdoor. And that's obviously nonsense.

>> Not as obvious as one might think.

> None of the things you mentioned gives any evidence that such a thing is

> happening.

Wasn't me in any event. ;-) And I don't use BitTorrent anyway.

> > I'd have to look to see how BitTorrent works but my understanding is that

> > a daemon uses surplus bandwidth, for example.

> Which is an obvious instance of the reasons why one

> shouldn't use untrusted software.

Agreed. Of course not everyone is competent to vet software.

> The BitTorrent client from Bram Cohen became untrustworthy

> when he decided to cooperate with the media mafia.

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Posted by Hadron on March 5, 2008, 12:33 pm

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> plenty900@yahoo.com wrote:

>>> It might be more complicated than this. They are said to have back doors in

>>> *standard protocols* (Linux included) [1,2,3,4] and these are hard to get by

>>> unless you are a security professional (I'm not). What about hardware-based

>>> hacks [5] (in which case "Intel" might be just an abbreviation)? Remember

that

>>> they just need to sniff packets and then decrypt successfully in order to

gain

>>> remote access.

>> Finally a mature response. I was beginning to think I was dealing with

>> 11-year-olds.

> If you don't think the NSA (or anybody else) gets into your computer,

> how about this, my experience so far. I used a torrent engine to

> download 'Dreamgirls' for my daughter. What I got was a crappy copy

> and a nasty e-mail from the MPAA police.

Whats has that got to do with you computer?

> About 30 years ago I got a visit from 2 FBI gorillas in $1,000 suits

> knocking on my door (at home, 8:00 P.M.) for a very minor infraction

> of FCC regulations, and they gave me a pink ticket and a warning that

> if I dot another warning it would be a RED ticket. The RED ticket is

> one step from having you license pulled for a year.

As Homer would says : "Dooweee. Dooweee. Dooweee."

> If you don't think the FBI monitors your activities just write

> something that says "A$$a$$inate p-r-e-s-i-d-e-n-t 'WEED'" in it and

> wait for the FBI at your door.

> I'm not paranoid, I have been hassled over trivial stuff.

Just mad.

Posted by Hadron on March 5, 2008, 10:51 pm

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> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:20:07 -0800, Bill Baka wrote:

>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>>>> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:39:47 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb wrote:

>>>>>> On Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:54:19 GMT, Bill Baka wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> plenty900@yahoo.com wrote:

>>>>>>>>> It might be more complicated than this. They are said to have back

doors in

>>>>>>>>> *standard protocols* (Linux included) [1,2,3,4] and these are hard to

get by

>>>>>>>>> unless you are a security professional (I'm not). What about

hardware-based

>>>>>>>>> hacks [5] (in which case "Intel" might be just an abbreviation)?

Remember that

>>>>>>>>> they just need to sniff packets and then decrypt successfully in order

to gain

>>>>>>>>> remote access.

>>>>>>>> Finally a mature response. I was beginning to think I was dealing with

>>>>>>>> 11-year-olds.

>>>>>>> If you don't think the NSA (or anybody else) gets into your

>>>>>>> computer, how about this, my experience so far. I used a

>>>>>>> torrent engine to download 'Dreamgirls' for my daughter. What I

>>>>>>> got was a crappy copy and a nasty e-mail from the MPAA police.

>>>>>> Maybe you should have considered paying for it?

>>>>> Idiot. Then I would have bought a junk movie.

>>>> Why not just steal like you did the Dreamgirls movie?

>>> I thought it stunk, and I don't steal movies. All I have to do is

>>> wait 3-6 months and they are either on television or DVD rentals.

>> So why did you download an illegal copy?

>> You don't think that is stealing?

>> Hint: It doesn't matter if the movie stinks.

> Damn, you are an anal asshole.

>>>> A great example you set for your daughter.

>>> I download Doctor Who and Torchwood from BBC. Doctor Who is on

>>> Sci-Fi but Torchwood is on a digital channel I can't get.

>>> I spent over $3,000 a few years back buying 3 sets of 27" NTSC

>>> televisions, VCR's, and DVD players (NTSC only), so I am not

>>> hurrying to buy 3 HDTV setups or converters.

>> Why?

> 3 real HDTVs (1920 x 1080P) would be about $6,000, for starters.

> Most of the wide screen sets at China-mart are not true HDTVs.

> They do have some wide screens that are only 780P or 1080I and will

> most likely be obsolete themselves if the FCC enforces the true 1080P.

> Considering the past, I doubt if the FCC will do the right thing.

> In addition I don't like spending that much anywhere since I know I

> will be supporting 'COMMUNIST' China.

> Add to that the fact that I have about $2,000 of VHS movies and about

> a thousand in DVDs that would be rendered useless along with my VCRs

> and DVD players and it gets to be more $$$ than I want to spend on

> sitting on my butt mode.

Media mogul Conrad Black had loads of money. Didn't stop him getting sent
to prison for stealing more.

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