Does kernel 2.6 include an NSA backdoor?

Does kernel 2.6 include an NSA backdoor?

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Does kernel 2.6 include an NSA backdoor? plenty900 03-04-2008
Posted by on March 4, 2008, 7:19 pm
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I've learned that there are bits of NSA's SELinux in various
places in kernel 2.6. How can I be sure that Big Brother isn't
using back doors or bugs to break into my computer?
Especially with all the illegal spying done these days...
How much safer would it be to just switch back to 2.4 or 2.5?


Posted by cc on March 4, 2008, 7:22 pm
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On Mar 4, 7:19=A0pm, plenty...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I've learned that there are bits of NSA's SELinux in various
> places in kernel 2.6. =A0How can I be sure that Big Brother isn't
> using back doors or bugs to break into my computer?
> Especially with all the illegal spying done these days...
> How much safer would it be to just switch back to 2.4 or 2.5?

None, they've been in the kernel since the beginning. They are out to
get you and your family. No one is safe.

Posted by The Ghost In The Machine on March 4, 2008, 7:48 pm
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, plenty900@yahoo.com
wrote
on Tue, 4 Mar 2008 16:19:16 -0800 (PST)
>
> I've learned that there are bits of NSA's SELinux in various
> places in kernel 2.6. How can I be sure that Big Brother isn't
> using back doors or bugs to break into my computer?
> Especially with all the illegal spying done these days...
> How much safer would it be to just switch back to 2.4 or 2.5?
>

Naaah...just switch to Microsoft Windows Vista. That way you can be
absolutely *sure* that there are bugs allowing malware to break into
your computer....

;-)

As it is...SELinux is not a backdoor intrusion device; it's
a series of implementations of ACLs, as I understand it,
and other such enhancements.

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Posted by Roger Blake on March 4, 2008, 8:54 pm
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plenty900@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> I've learned that there are bits of NSA's SELinux in various
> places in kernel 2.6. How can I be sure that Big Brother isn't
> using back doors or bugs to break into my computer?

I have heard that if one wears a tin-foil hat of the correct type in
conjuction with a microwave oven plus a radio and antenna tuned to the
proper frequency, this will block the bits that the NSA uses to spy
on your computer, which they can otherwise do even if it is turned off.

Or, you could just examine the kernel source code, and once satisfied
that it is clean, build it from source. (But then again, perhaps the NSA
has compromised the compiler. Oh dear...)

> Especially with all the illegal spying done these days...
> How much safer would it be to just switch back to 2.4 or 2.5?

From what I understand a typewriter is safer yet.

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Posted by Jean-David Beyer on March 4, 2008, 10:10 pm
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Roger Blake wrote:
> In article
plenty900@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I've learned that there are bits of NSA's SELinux in various
>> places in kernel 2.6. How can I be sure that Big Brother isn't
>> using back doors or bugs to break into my computer?
>
> I have heard that if one wears a tin-foil hat of the correct type in
> conjuction with a microwave oven plus a radio and antenna tuned to the
> proper frequency, this will block the bits that the NSA uses to spy
> on your computer, which they can otherwise do even if it is turned off.
>
> Or, you could just examine the kernel source code, and once satisfied
> that it is clean, build it from source. (But then again, perhaps the NSA
> has compromised the compiler. Oh dear...)

Right, and even if you check the source of the compiler and then compile it
from scratch, you will be in trouble because the compiler you compile it
with could be compromised.

But even if you had a compiler written in assembler, and you assembled it
from scratch, you would not be safe because if they wanted to, perhaps the
NSA could have prevailed on Intel and the other processor manufacturers to
automatically insert trojans in object code.
>
>> Especially with all the illegal spying done these days...
>> How much safer would it be to just switch back to 2.4 or 2.5?
>
> From what I understand a typewriter is safer yet.
>
Perhaps, but only if you do not have a ribbon in the typewriter. If you type
something and mail it, you are surely at risk. I cannot believe that the
government has stopped steaming open letters of people they wish to examine.

I have heard from someone, now deceased, that he wrote that he hoped the
military censors would pass a particular letter. The letter had written on
it "Nonsense: we do not censor mail." I am not sure how true the story is,
but he is someone who really had his telephone tapped (by the FBI, not the NSA).

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