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Does Windows still have NSA backdoor? Flarky 01-14-2007
Posted by Flarky on January 14, 2007, 8:50 am
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Hi,

Someone just re-posted to a link-sharing site the old
Duncan Campbell article from 1999 about the NSA backdoor or
trapdoor into Windows. It's now almost 8 years later, but
the question is, does such a backdoor still exist?

Thanks.

Here's the article...

How NSA access was built into Windows

Duncan Campbell 04.09.1999
Careless mistake reveals subversion of Windows by NSA.

A CARELESS mistake by Microsoft programmers has revealed that special
access codes prepared by the US National Security Agency have been
secretly built into Windows. The NSA access system is built into every
version of the Windows operating system now in use, except early
releases of Windows 95 (and its predecessors). The discovery comes
close on the heels of the revelations earlier this year that another US
software giant, Lotus, had built an NSA "help information" trapdoor (1)
into its Notes system, and that security functions on other software
systems had been deliberately crippled.

The first discovery of the new NSA access system was made two years ago
by British researcher Dr Nicko van Someren. But it was only a few weeks
ago when a second researcher rediscovered the access system. With it,
he found the evidence linking it to NSA.
...


Posted by Unruh on January 14, 2007, 2:32 pm
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>Hi,

>Someone just re-posted to a link-sharing site the old
>Duncan Campbell article from 1999 about the NSA backdoor or
>trapdoor into Windows. It's now almost 8 years later, but
>the question is, does such a backdoor still exist?

And if you followed the thread of that article...
Windows has two keys. Only senior management knows if one or both are
shared with NSA. There was never any evidence that a backdoor existed, so
your question is like asking "does bill gates still beat his wife".


Posted by Juergen Nieveler on January 15, 2007, 3:27 pm
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> your question is like asking "does bill gates still beat his wife".

Given that she was head of the design team for MS Bob, so probably the
answer is yes ;-)


Juergen Nieveler
--
No one can guarantee success in war, but only deserve it.
Winston Churchill

Posted by Moe Trin on January 14, 2007, 2:59 pm
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On 14 Jan 2007, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.security.misc, in article

>Someone just re-posted to a link-sharing site the old
>Duncan Campbell article from 1999 about the NSA backdoor or
>trapdoor into Windows.

Yeah, old legends never die. Did you try a search at groups.google.com
looking in the "alt.folklore.urban" newsgroup?

>It's now almost 8 years later, but the question is, does such a
>backdoor still exist?

You want to think about that. Those who _know_ aren't going to tell
you - because it would be highly classified information. Not only would
they not tell you, they wouldn't even hint one way or the other. It's
supposed to be a secret, and it wouldn't be a secret if every klown in
the world had a friend who heard from a secret source that it's actually
there. Further, since revealing secret information is a federal felony,
do you really think anyone who knows would risk jail time to tell you?

You _could_ ask at a university or company that has the windoze source
code, but there are two problems - first, anyone who can actually view
the source code has signed a Non-Disclosure-Agreement, and would violate
that to tell you. Second, do you really think anyone - even the typical
idiot programmer hired by microsoft - would be st00pid enough to hang a
sign on the source code saying "NSA Back Door". They can't program worth
a damn, but even the lamest mystery writer knows that you use code words
that have nothing to do with the actual secret - that's been a common
trick since the Old Testament.

While it is illegal to "reverse engineer" (the actual term would be to
"disassemble") software in the United States (and microsoft would bring
legal action if you did), it's not illegal elsewhere, and foreign
government agencies don't care about laws anyway. Have you heard of
that many foreign governments refusing to use windoze? Outside of China,
France, Germany, and several smaller nations like Peru who may or may not
have other reasons for rejecting the crap that comes out of Redmond, can
you think of any? Don't you think they'd LOOK?

By the way, you may also want to look at your browser, and determine
whose algorithms it is using when you go to a secure website - one that
causes that cute little padlock icon, that begin with "https:" rather
than just "http:". (Oh, crap - they've got your credit card number too!)
Maybe you want to look at RFC4772 - any search engine will find it:

4772 Security Implications of Using the Data Encryption Standard
(DES). S. Kelly. December 2006. (Format: TXT=68524 bytes) (Status:
INFORMATIONAL)

And in case you are wondering, no - the world is not restricted to only
use windoze on their computers. You may have heard that there is an
alternative - maybe you've even seen a Macintosh (which doesn't run
windoze). Maybe you've even heard that there are other alternatives.
There is one called Linux - see http://www.distrowatch.com - but you
probably won't want to use that either, because it has hooks in the
code for something called SELinux - maybe if you used a search engine,
you might even find out what that is - or I could save you a few seconds
at google by giving you a URL to look at: http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/

Old guy

Posted by Unruh on January 14, 2007, 6:17 pm
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ibuprofin@painkiller.example.tld (Moe Trin) writes:

>On 14 Jan 2007, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.security.misc, in article

>>Someone just re-posted to a link-sharing site the old
>>Duncan Campbell article from 1999 about the NSA backdoor or
>>trapdoor into Windows.

>Yeah, old legends never die. Did you try a search at groups.google.com
>looking in the "alt.folklore.urban" newsgroup?

>>It's now almost 8 years later, but the question is, does such a
>>backdoor still exist?

>You want to think about that. Those who _know_ aren't going to tell
>you - because it would be highly classified information. Not only would
>they not tell you, they wouldn't even hint one way or the other. It's
>supposed to be a secret, and it wouldn't be a secret if every klown in
>the world had a friend who heard from a secret source that it's actually
>there. Further, since revealing secret information is a federal felony,
>do you really think anyone who knows would risk jail time to tell you?

>You _could_ ask at a university or company that has the windoze source
>code, but there are two problems - first, anyone who can actually view
>the source code has signed a Non-Disclosure-Agreement, and would violate
>that to tell you. Second, do you really think anyone - even the typical
>idiot programmer hired by microsoft - would be st00pid enough to hang a
>sign on the source code saying "NSA Back Door". They can't program worth
>a damn, but even the lamest mystery writer knows that you use code words
>that have nothing to do with the actual secret - that's been a common
>trick since the Old Testament.

>While it is illegal to "reverse engineer" (the actual term would be to

The courts have ruled that it is perfectly legal to reverse engineer,
unless you have signed a specific contract ( not license, contract) not to
do so, and then it is a violation of the contract, not violation of the
law.


>"disassemble") software in the United States (and microsoft would bring
>legal action if you did), it's not illegal elsewhere, and foreign
>government agencies don't care about laws anyway. Have you heard of
>that many foreign governments refusing to use windoze? Outside of China,
>France, Germany, and several smaller nations like Peru who may or may not
>have other reasons for rejecting the crap that comes out of Redmond, can
>you think of any? Don't you think they'd LOOK?

>By the way, you may also want to look at your browser, and determine
>whose algorithms it is using when you go to a secure website - one that
>causes that cute little padlock icon, that begin with "https:" rather
>than just "http:". (Oh, crap - they've got your credit card number too!)
>Maybe you want to look at RFC4772 - any search engine will find it:

>4772 Security Implications of Using the Data Encryption Standard
> (DES). S. Kelly. December 2006. (Format: TXT=68524 bytes) (Status:
> INFORMATIONAL)

>And in case you are wondering, no - the world is not restricted to only
>use windoze on their computers. You may have heard that there is an
>alternative - maybe you've even seen a Macintosh (which doesn't run
>windoze). Maybe you've even heard that there are other alternatives.
>There is one called Linux - see http://www.distrowatch.com - but you
>probably won't want to use that either, because it has hooks in the
>code for something called SELinux - maybe if you used a search engine,
>you might even find out what that is - or I could save you a few seconds
>at google by giving you a URL to look at: http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/

> Old guy

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