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Bank login not using https spasmous2 03-09-2007
Posted by spasmous2 on March 9, 2007, 11:46 pm
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I just started using a new bank, which has an online access page to
perform transactions etc. It is http://www.orchardbank.com/ecare/loginform

I noticed it is not an https (secured) site but has a logo saying it
is SSL secured with verisign... whatever that means. Can anyone tell
me if I should be wary of using this login URL since it is not an
https site. After I signed up I immediately changed my login details/
security questions since these were all performed over an http
connection.

I am basically a novice about these things but "know" (ie. have been
told a lot!) that https is important.


Posted by Barry Margolin on March 10, 2007, 2:21 pm
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> I just started using a new bank, which has an online access page to
> perform transactions etc. It is http://www.orchardbank.com/ecare/loginform
>
> I noticed it is not an https (secured) site but has a logo saying it
> is SSL secured with verisign... whatever that means. Can anyone tell
> me if I should be wary of using this login URL since it is not an
> https site. After I signed up I immediately changed my login details/
> security questions since these were all performed over an http
> connection.
>
> I am basically a novice about these things but "know" (ie. have been
> told a lot!) that https is important.

Although the login page isn't downloaded with SSL, it DOES use SSL to
submit the form. It's kind of difficult to tell this from the source,
because it uses some contorted Javascript to perform the submission.
But just do a login and look at the location line in your browser and
you'll see that it changed to HTTPS.

--
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
*** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***

Posted by BernieM on March 11, 2007, 4:01 am
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>
>> I just started using a new bank, which has an online access page to
>> perform transactions etc. It is
>> http://www.orchardbank.com/ecare/loginform
>>
>> I noticed it is not an https (secured) site but has a logo saying it
>> is SSL secured with verisign... whatever that means. Can anyone tell
>> me if I should be wary of using this login URL since it is not an
>> https site. After I signed up I immediately changed my login details/
>> security questions since these were all performed over an http
>> connection.
>>
>> I am basically a novice about these things but "know" (ie. have been
>> told a lot!) that https is important.
>
> Although the login page isn't downloaded with SSL, it DOES use SSL to
> submit the form. It's kind of difficult to tell this from the source,
> because it uses some contorted Javascript to perform the submission.
> But just do a login and look at the location line in your browser and
> you'll see that it changed to HTTPS.
>
> --
> Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
> Arlington, MA
> *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
> *** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***

Yes, I also tested that with a Wireshark capture. It immediately sends a
TCP SYN using HTTPS when you submit the form.

BernieM



Posted by Hans Osterbrinck on March 18, 2007, 3:00 pm
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> >> I just started using a new bank, which has an online access page to
> >> perform transactions etc. It is
> >>http://www.orchardbank.com/ecare/loginform
>
> >> I noticed it is not an https (secured) site but has a logo saying it
> >> is SSL secured with verisign... whatever that means. Can anyone tell
> >> me if I should be wary of using this login URL since it is not an
> >> https site. After I signed up I immediately changed my login details/
> >> security questions since these were all performed over an http
> >> connection.
>
> >> I am basically a novice about these things but "know" (ie. have been
> >> told a lot!) that https is important.
>
> > Although the login page isn't downloaded with SSL, it DOES use SSL to
> > submit the form. It's kind of difficult to tell this from the source,
> > because it uses some contorted Javascript to perform the submission.
> > But just do a login and look at the location line in your browser and
> > you'll see that it changed to HTTPS.
>
> > --
> > Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu
> > Arlington, MA
> > *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
> > *** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***
>
> Yes, I also tested that with a Wireshark capture. It immediately sends a
> TCP SYN using HTTPS when you submit the form.
>
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Nevertheless, it's bad practise to send the form itself over plain
HTTP use SSL only to protect the data itself:
First, unexperiences users get used to the fact that even "secure"
websites don't need to be SSL-protected.
Secondly, the website containing the form is not guaranteed to be
authentic. This simplifies phishing and spoofing attacks.

Just a remark ...

Regards!


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