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Posted by OneSolution on October 3, 2007, 11:05 am
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Theoretically, would a wireless router firewall have protected Jammie
Thomas from being sued by the RIAA Safenet
What else do they know about you if you file share songs or movies?
It seems they know whether or not you're using a wireless router and what
the internal IP address is (192.168.m.n) according to this news article.
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/10/riaa-rips-defen.html
"The Charter IP address identified the night of the downloading was
24.179.199.117, according to testimony from Edgar and Weaver. Had a
wireless router been used, the internal private IP address assigned by the
router would also have been detected by investigators, he claimed -- likely
beginning with 192.168."
So, they know your
- Name & address you provided to the isp
- IP Address assigned to you by the isp
- Computer IP address assigned by the router
- Songs or movies you share on your computer with limewire or bittorrent
- Songs or movies you download with kazaa or azureus
- ?
What else do they know about you if you file share songs or movies?
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Posted by Leythos on October 3, 2007, 11:19 am
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onesolution@sbcglobal.net says...
>
> Theoretically, would a wireless router firewall have protected Jammie
> Thomas from being sued by the RIAA Safenet
NO, not at all.
The fact is that the PUBLIC IP you use can be tracked and is recorded by
the ISP. You run a service that shares files, or you just download them,
the router does not block their ability to see you connect to their
download site and track the number/content that you download.
So, All the RIAA needs is your IP and they can get the rest from the
ISP. They don't need to know your LAN (private) address to find you.
when YOU make a connection, it shows your PUBLIC IP, that's all that's
needed.
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Posted by OneSolution on October 3, 2007, 11:37 am
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> when YOU make a connection, it shows your PUBLIC IP, that's all that's
> needed.
But they have to prove YOU (personally) did it - don't they?
For example, what if there are five people and five computers in the house?
Or if the neighbor hijacked your wireless router connection?
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Posted by Leythos on October 3, 2007, 11:52 am
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> On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:19:42 -0400, Leythos wrote:
>
> > when YOU make a connection, it shows your PUBLIC IP, that's all that's
> > needed.
>
> But they have to prove YOU (personally) did it - don't they?
>
> For example, what if there are five people and five computers in the house?
>
> Or if the neighbor hijacked your wireless router connection?
No, the fact that YOUR IP did it is enough to get a search warrant -
from there, since you don't know it's coming they get the computer and
records....
Face it, if you break the law you don't have much to complain about.
The person responsible for the internet connection is first, then the
computer owner, and then you can guess if one person in the 5 will rat
the others out.
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Posted by OneSolution on October 3, 2007, 12:18 pm
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> No, the fact that YOUR IP did it is enough to get a search warrant -
> from there, since you don't know it's coming they get the computer and
> records....
"On cross examination, Thomas' attorney, Toder, suggested that perhaps
Thomas owned a wireless router, which a third party might have hijacked
from 'right outside her window.'"
(http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/10/riaa-rips-defen.html
So ... part of the defense is that someone might have done it, but, not
her. ""Did you people actually observe defendant infringing?" defense
attorney Toder asked Jennifer Pariser, Sony BMG's anti-piracy chief, who
took the stand for about 90 minutes."
Also, in the Jammie Thomas case, she replaced her hard drive when they
asked for the computer as evidence. So, there is nothing on her hard drive
for the search warrant to see.
Even simpler than replacing her hard drive, she could have simply wiped her
file sharing folder clean with PGPwipe freeware when they asked for the
computer. Even simpler would have been to mount her file sharing disk
partition with Truecrypt freeware or Sandboxie freeware so even if a raid
occurred unbeknownst to her, all the files would be safe from everyone
anyway.
Would an additional PeerGuardian freeware firewall (in addition to the
wireless router) also have provided basic protection to Jammie from Safenet
eavesdropping?
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