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Regarding Anonymity ChronJob 01-03-2008
Posted by Chilly8 on January 10, 2008, 1:32 pm
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>>
>>
>> >> If you are referring to the time that I helped a figure skating fan
>> >
>> > I'm talking about all of the BS you report here about helping people
>> > break company policy and telling them that there is nothing wrong and
>> > it
>> > can't be traced or detected.... complete and utter BS/lies on your
>> > part.
>>
>>
>> I am starting to gain back a lot of the users I lost when Live 365
>> upgraded their system and closed some loopholes for login-free
>> and AYST-free listening. There is a way to get it to work through
>> the anonymity services, but it requires more technical profffiency,
>> and knowing how to get the direct-connect URL you need to
>> plug in through the web proxy services. But people are doing
>> it, and are lisetening again.
>
> Which doesn't change anything - you tell people that listening can't be
> detected - a lie, that their boss won't know - a lie, and you will get
> people fired - truth, and sooner or later one of them will come after
> you for the lies.


Not if they use phpProxy sites. The site obfuscates the URL, so that
the logs will show a bunch of jibberish imn the URL. And I see
NOTHING unethical about listening to Internet radio at work,
as long as you are getting your work done.



Posted by Sebastian G. on January 10, 2008, 2:32 pm
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Chilly8 wrote:


> Not if they use phpProxy sites. The site obfuscates the URL, so that
> the logs will show a bunch of jibberish imn the URL.


The logs will show the original URL requested by the webbrowser, because the
webbrowser itself logs.

> And I see NOTHING unethical about listening to Internet radio at work,
> as long as you are getting your work done.


Except if you signed an agreement which forbids doing so.

Posted by Flash Gordon on January 10, 2008, 4:37 pm
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Sebastian G. wrote, On 10/01/08 19:32:
> Chilly8 wrote:
>
>> Not if they use phpProxy sites. The site obfuscates the URL, so that
>> the logs will show a bunch of jibberish imn the URL.
>
> The logs will show the original URL requested by the webbrowser, because
> the webbrowser itself logs.

Personally I would just publish a company policy forbidding the use of
*any* proxy. Then all I would have to do is prove that a proxy had been
used, not what it was used for. Proving what it was used for would, of
course, be a bonus.

>> And I see NOTHING unethical about listening to Internet radio at work,
>> as long as you are getting your work done.
>
> Except if you signed an agreement which forbids doing so.

Also companies *pay* for their bandwidth, they don't get it for free.
Someone listening to the internet radio (or more especially *everyone*
listening to it) could increase the charges the company has to pay for
internet connectivity, or cause problems for business related usage of
the internet. Since it is generally not permitted *and* can cost the
company in real hard cash I would say that it *is* unethical.
--
Flash Gordon

Posted by Chilly8 on January 10, 2008, 5:23 pm
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> Sebastian G. wrote, On 10/01/08 19:32:
>> Chilly8 wrote:
>>
>>> Not if they use phpProxy sites. The site obfuscates the URL, so that
>>> the logs will show a bunch of jibberish imn the URL.
>>
>> The logs will show the original URL requested by the webbrowser, because
>> the webbrowser itself logs.
>
> Personally I would just publish a company policy forbidding the use of
> *any* proxy. Then all I would have to do is prove that a proxy had been
> used, not what it was used for. Proving what it was used for would, of
> course, be a bonus.

However, if you can get to your computer using Internet Desktop
Connection, you can then get to what you want that way. Remember,
that IDC is basically a "dumb terminal" to any Windows Vista or
XP machine. Your computer becomes nothing more than a keyboard,
mouse, screen, and speakers for the remote machine you are accessing.
Since your home PC, and your ISP is handling the traffic, it is harder
to figure out what you are doing. Since you are using nothing more than
a "dumb terminal", it would not violate any policies against using
proxies.

>
>>> And I see NOTHING unethical about listening to Internet radio at work,
>>> as long as you are getting your work done.
>>
>> Except if you signed an agreement which forbids doing so.
>
> Also companies *pay* for their bandwidth, they don't get it for free.
> Someone listening to the internet radio (or more especially *everyone*
> listening to it) could increase the charges the company has to pay for
> internet connectivity, or cause problems for business related usage of the
> internet. Since it is generally not permitted *and* can cost the company
> in real hard cash I would say that it *is* unethical.

Well, providing an open proxy on my machine for the purpose
of allowing circumvention of filtering systems is NOT illegal.
As I have said, if it were, Tor would have been shut down long ago.
You would not see these lists of open proxies all over the net,
either. Running my own Tor entry proxy, to allow people, primarily
from work or school computers, there are locked down against
installation of additional software, to allow the Tor network to
be used, without installing the software, is LEGAL.



Posted by Leythos on January 10, 2008, 5:33 pm
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> Since your home PC, and your ISP is handling the traffic, it is harder
> to figure out what you are doing. Since you are using nothing more than
> a "dumb terminal", it would not violate any policies against using
> proxies.

Wrong.

The firewall will show the connection to your home PC, that's a
violation of company policy, you're fired, and you can then bring legal
claim against Chilly for giving you false information that prompted your
firing.



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