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Netgear portscanning me? Tam 09-03-2007
Posted by Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers on September 5, 2007, 11:01 am
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> Volker Birk wrote:
>>> Having a 2nd firewall secures your PC and limits the spread of any
>>> malware should it ever get behind the NAT firewall.
>>
>> Unfortunately no.
>>
>>> IMO every computer on the network should have it's own firewall in
>>> addition to the NAT firewall.
>>
>> Better configure your systems correctly.
>
> Double firewalling is standard industry practice.

To achieve what? Aside from increased sales for personal firewall
vendors, that is.

> Do you disagree?

Well, I for one most certainly do.

> If so I hope you are not working as a network administrator.

M-hm. You have some arguments to go with that opinion of yours?

cu
59cobalt
--
"If a software developer ever believes a rootkit is a necessary part of
their architecture they should go back and re-architect their solution."
--Mark Russinovich

Posted by Chuck on September 5, 2007, 11:38 am
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Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers wrote:
>> Volker Birk wrote:
>>>> Having a 2nd firewall secures your PC and limits the spread of any
>>>> malware should it ever get behind the NAT firewall.
>>> Unfortunately no.
>>>
>>>> IMO every computer on the network should have it's own firewall in
>>>> addition to the NAT firewall.
>>> Better configure your systems correctly.
>> Double firewalling is standard industry practice.
>
> To achieve what? Aside from increased sales for personal firewall
> vendors, that is.
>
>> Do you disagree?
>
> Well, I for one most certainly do.
>
>> If so I hope you are not working as a network administrator.
>
> M-hm. You have some arguments to go with that opinion of yours?


Arguments? Sure. Any PC on your LAN that does not have a software
firewall is vulnernable if any other machine gets infected with a WORM
or gets hacked. It's that simple. Remember that DNS corrupting worm from
about 2 years ago? An awful lot of network admins learned the hard way
about double firewalling that day didn't they?

You can chose to disagree that double firewalling is not standard
industry practice but that does not change the fact that it is. A simple
google of "is double firewalling a standard industry practice" returns
over a million hits.

Posted by Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers on September 5, 2007, 12:41 pm
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> Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers wrote:
>>> Double firewalling is standard industry practice.
>>
>> To achieve what? Aside from increased sales for personal firewall
>> vendors, that is.
>>
>>> Do you disagree?
>>
>> Well, I for one most certainly do.
>>
>>> If so I hope you are not working as a network administrator.
>>
>> M-hm. You have some arguments to go with that opinion of yours?
>
> Arguments? Sure. Any PC on your LAN that does not have a software
> firewall is vulnernable if any other machine gets infected with a WORM
> or gets hacked.

So tell me: how did that other machine get hacked or infected with a
worm in the first place? And how does the software firewall protect the
ports you need to be open in your LAN? (because most certainly any other
port would be closed and thus not exploitable, wouldn't it?)

> It's that simple.

Frankly, no, it ain't.

> Remember that DNS corrupting worm from about 2 years ago?

No. What "DNS corrupting worm" are you talking about?

> An awful lot of network admins learned the hard way about double
> firewalling that day didn't they?

M-hm. In my network the systems are kept up to date, they don't have
services running they're not supposed to, and the network is properly
segmented with firewalls on the boundaries. So tell me again: what
exactly do I need double firewalling for? Other then increasing the
vondors' revenue, my network's complexity, and my own workload?

> You can chose to disagree that double firewalling is not standard
> industry practice but that does not change the fact that it is. A
> simple google of "is double firewalling a standard industry practice"
> returns over a million hits.

A million flies ...

cu
59cobalt
--
"If a software developer ever believes a rootkit is a necessary part of
their architecture they should go back and re-architect their solution."
--Mark Russinovich

Posted by Chuck on September 5, 2007, 2:41 pm
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Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers wrote:
>> Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers wrote:
>>>> Double firewalling is standard industry practice.
>>> To achieve what? Aside from increased sales for personal firewall
>>> vendors, that is.
>>>
>>>> Do you disagree?
>>> Well, I for one most certainly do.
>>>
>>>> If so I hope you are not working as a network administrator.
>>> M-hm. You have some arguments to go with that opinion of yours?
>> Arguments? Sure. Any PC on your LAN that does not have a software
>> firewall is vulnernable if any other machine gets infected with a WORM
>> or gets hacked.
>
> So tell me: how did that other machine get hacked or infected with a
> worm in the first place? And how does the software firewall protect the
> ports you need to be open in your LAN? (because most certainly any other
> port would be closed and thus not exploitable, wouldn't it?)
>
>> It's that simple.
>
> Frankly, no, it ain't.
>
>> Remember that DNS corrupting worm from about 2 years ago?
>
> No. What "DNS corrupting worm" are you talking about?
>
>> An awful lot of network admins learned the hard way about double
>> firewalling that day didn't they?
>
> M-hm. In my network the systems are kept up to date, they don't have
> services running they're not supposed to, and the network is properly
> segmented with firewalls on the boundaries. So tell me again: what
> exactly do I need double firewalling for? Other then increasing the
> vondors' revenue, my network's complexity, and my own workload?
>
>> You can chose to disagree that double firewalling is not standard
>> industry practice but that does not change the fact that it is. A
>> simple google of "is double firewalling a standard industry practice"
>> returns over a million hits.
>
> A million flies ...
>
> cu
> 59cobalt


You've obviously not been in IT very long.

Posted by Volker Birk on September 5, 2007, 3:40 pm
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> Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers wrote:
[...]
> You've obviously not been in IT very long.

Amusing. You're talking about a person, who probably has more
experience and deeper insights than most of the people here in the group,
with small exceptions.

In German: "Jeder macht sich so lächerlich, wie er kann."

Trying to translate that for you: "You're making a fool out
of yourself as good as you can" ;-)

Chuck, perhaps you could work on your arguments a little bit. Maybe
they're not as close to perfect as they could be :-))

Yours,
VB.
--
"Es muss darauf geachtet werden, dass das Grundgesetz nicht mit Methoden
geschützt wird, die seinem Ziel und seinem Geist zuwider sind."

Gustav Heinemann, "Freimütige Kritik und demokratischer Rechtsstaat"

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