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Atguard? haha 08-10-2007
|--> Re: Atguard? Sebastian G.08-11-2007
Posted by on August 10, 2007, 8:13 pm
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Has anybody tried to run Atguard under Windows Vista?

Atguard was the predecessor of the Norton firewall. If I could buy
the Norton firewall without all of the other junk (antivirus, etc) I
would. But they only sell it as a part of Norton Internet Security.
And there is no way to turn the antivirus off.

Other than that, does anybody know of a low cost or free firewall that
has the same fine-tuning ability as Norton firewall or Atguard?

Posted by Sebastian G. on August 11, 2007, 5:51 am
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haha@hoohoo.net wrote:

> Has anybody tried to run Atguard under Windows Vista?
>
> Atguard was the predecessor of the Norton firewall. If I could buy
> the Norton firewall without all of the other junk (antivirus, etc) I
> would. But they only sell it as a part of Norton Internet Security.
> And there is no way to turn the antivirus off.
>

> Other than that, does anybody know of a low cost or free firewall that

> has the same fine-tuning ability as Norton firewall or Atguard?


Atguard is no firewall, it's a host-based packet filter. And yes, there are
many others implementations with the same level of lousiness as Atguard and
Norton, however this is quite offtopic here.

Posted by Kayman on August 11, 2007, 6:05 am
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> Has anybody tried to run Atguard under Windows Vista?
>
I haven't and I won't.
>
> Atguard was the predecessor of the Norton firewall. If I could buy
> the Norton firewall without all of the other junk (antivirus, etc) I
> would.
>
This would not be advisable; The retail version of Norton is next to
useless.
>
> Other than that, does anybody know of a low cost or free firewall that
> has the same fine-tuning ability as Norton firewall or Atguard?
>

Use the in-build application.
Windows Firewall: the best new security feature in Vista?
http://blogs.technet.com/jesper_johansson/archive/2006/05/01/426921.aspx

http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis/archive/2007/06/28/and-so-this-is-vista.aspx

You are not going to find anything better than the Vista FW and Vista in
itself due to the advanced features the FW and Vista are using.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cableguy/cg0905.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/network/WFP.mspx


Posted by on August 11, 2007, 2:03 pm
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:05:14 +0700, "Kayman"

>> Has anybody tried to run Atguard under Windows Vista?
>>
>I haven't and I won't.
>>
>> Atguard was the predecessor of the Norton firewall. If I could buy
>> the Norton firewall without all of the other junk (antivirus, etc) I
>> would.
>>
>This would not be advisable; The retail version of Norton is next to
>useless.
>>
>> Other than that, does anybody know of a low cost or free firewall that
>> has the same fine-tuning ability as Norton firewall or Atguard?
>>
>
>Use the in-build application.
>Windows Firewall: the best new security feature in Vista?
>http://blogs.technet.com/jesper_johansson/archive/2006/05/01/426921.aspx

Thanks for the links. Jesper's main argument seems to be that
outbound filtering is basically useless against trojans for various
reasons. That may be true. But I mainly use software firewalls to
block regular software from connecting out. IMHO there is no
legitimate reason for Windows Media Player to connect to Microsoft
everytime I play a song or video. Microsoft isn't the only offender.
So many third party programs do the same thing. So, for example, my
newsreader is alowed to connect to my newsserver on the correct port
ONLY, and it is not allowed to connect anywhere else. Same with my
email client. And the various media players are only allowed to make
outbound connections when I want them to.

So what I want is something that will allow me to easily create the
necessary rules with sufficient detail. Not a simple "block" or
"allow."

>
>http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis/archive/2007/06/28/and-so-this-is-vista.aspx
>
>You are not going to find anything better than the Vista FW and Vista in
>itself due to the advanced features the FW and Vista are using.
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cableguy/cg0905.mspx
>http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/network/WFP.mspx

Posted by Sebastian G. on August 11, 2007, 2:26 pm
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haha@hoohoo.net wrote:

> But I mainly use software firewalls to
> block regular software from connecting out.


Well, but shouldn't you first find any such software? So far this remains a
myth.

> IMHO there is no legitimate reason for Windows Media Player to connect to
> Microsoft everytime I play a song or video.

There is: Your configured it to do so. Change the configuration according to
the documentation and such a thing won't occur. Ever.

> Microsoft isn't the only offender.

Microsoft is no offender. The software behaves as documented.

> So many third party programs do the same thing.

Now excluding your stupidity to configure them correctly, how many are left?
I give you an approximate figure: 0

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