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programming an Ademco Vista rickm 04-22-2008
Posted by on May 1, 2008, 12:05 am
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> rickm wrote:
>
> > The problem was an intermittent short between the power wire and one of =
the
> > signal wires behind the wall.
>
> There is a simple solution to that problem 50% of the time, Rick. =A0Most
> burglar alarm panels use the negative as a common return for the zones
> (sensing circuits). =A0If the negative is shorting one of the zone wires a=
nd an
> EOL is in use at the sensor it can cause a fault on the zone. =A0Disconnec=
t the
> negative wire at the panel and the sensor. =A0Run a short jumper between t=
he
> negative side of the zone wiring and the negative power terminal in the
> sensor.
>
> The reason I said the solution is simple 50% of the time is that it could =
just
> as easily be the positive wire causing the problem. =A0In that case, you h=
ave
> disconnect the positive at the panel and the sensor and then shuffle the
> remaining three to get the same effect. =A0You can test which wire is at f=
ault
> with a multimeter first.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>
> Bass Home Electronics
> 4883 Fallcrest Circle
> Sarasota =B7 Florida =B7 34233http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
> Sales & Tech Support 941-925-8650
> Customer Service 941-870-2310
> Fax 941-870-3252
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D>

Yes, the 3 wire solution works!!!!

THANKS!!!!!

Posted by Robert L Bass on May 1, 2008, 12:48 pm
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rickm wrote:
>
> Yes, the 3 wire solution works!!!!
>
> THANKS!!!!!

You're most welcome.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

==============================>
Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
Sales & Tech Support 941-925-8650
Customer Service 941-870-2310
Fax 941-870-3252
==============================>


Posted by Nomen Nescio on April 28, 2008, 8:50 pm
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>Dont' forget to replace the transformer and the battery also. The old
>transformer may not be putting out enough power for the new board to work.
>
>The siren may be drawing too much currect from the power supply circuit, so
>you may want to put a series resistor at the siren terminal to cut down on
>the current draw.

Aw, c'mon, take some pity on the guy. You're making Bass look kind and
helpful by comparison, and we can't have that.




Posted by on April 28, 2008, 1:30 am
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> The mainboard is probably defective, replace the mainboard and if it does
> not solve the problem, replace the sensors and rewire the system.
>
> What is Type 10 sensor anyway ?
>
> Good luck.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
..
>
> > > > ri...@galaxy.nsc.com wrote:
> > > > >The IR motion is not working
> > > > > though. Ive tried NO ever mode and it fails the walk test. The oth=
er
> > > > > zones report a fault and chime but the IR doesnt report
> > > > > anything. I enabled the sensor's LED and its getting power and
> > > > > "see's" movement. I have it set to TYPE4 and NC which
> > > > > allows the system to come READY. I have the inline resister on the=

> > > > > LO side on the panel.
>
> > > > I you arm the system but don't open an entry/exit door, the system m=
ay
> > > > bypass the motion detectors, thinking you are still inside.
>
> > > > --
> > > > js
>
> > > > He who laughs last.......thinks the slowest
>
> > > Interesting point, how can the motion be tested?
>
> > > If you have programmed the zones for EOL resistors then make sure you
> > > are
> > > using the correct value EOLs.
> > > If you have programmed the zones for NC then make sure you aren't usin=
g
> > > EOL
> > > resisotrs.
> > > Make sure all zones show normal on the keypad.
> > > Turn the alarm on
> > > Open and close an entry/exit door.
> > > Wait for the exit delay to expire and then walk past the motion sensor=

> > > Listen for the siren/bell or whatever audible device you have connecte=
d.
>
> > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Looks like are 2 issues, the first is that auto-stay was enable so
> > thats been fixed. The IR needs to be
> > set to NC for the system to ready. I removed the series resistor and
> > and set it to TYPE10. The IR still
> > does not trip the alarm. I metered the HI/LO terminals and it always
> > read about 13.4VAC whether the
> > sensors beams where broken or not as indicated by the LED. I would
> > expect it the voltage to drop to
> > about 3VAC like the door switches.
>
> > Im thinking the IR is broken! ...anyone agree???
>
> > I think the installer is broken- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> why?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

type 10 is interior with delay. I think if the relay in the IR would
pick, then it work. Im going to try
replacing this sensor and/or moving it.

Posted by Doug on April 28, 2008, 2:07 am
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> The mainboard is probably defective, replace the mainboard and if it does
> not solve the problem, replace the sensors and rewire the system.
>
> What is Type 10 sensor anyway ?
>
> Good luck.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > ri...@galaxy.nsc.com wrote:
> > > > >The IR motion is not working
> > > > > though. Ive tried NO ever mode and it fails the walk test. The
> > > > > other
> > > > > zones report a fault and chime but the IR doesnt report
> > > > > anything. I enabled the sensor's LED and its getting power and
> > > > > "see's" movement. I have it set to TYPE4 and NC which
> > > > > allows the system to come READY. I have the inline resister on the
> > > > > LO side on the panel.
>
> > > > I you arm the system but don't open an entry/exit door, the system
> > > > may
> > > > bypass the motion detectors, thinking you are still inside.
>
> > > > --
> > > > js
>
> > > > He who laughs last.......thinks the slowest
>
> > > Interesting point, how can the motion be tested?
>
> > > If you have programmed the zones for EOL resistors then make sure you
> > > are
> > > using the correct value EOLs.
> > > If you have programmed the zones for NC then make sure you aren't
> > > using
> > > EOL
> > > resisotrs.
> > > Make sure all zones show normal on the keypad.
> > > Turn the alarm on
> > > Open and close an entry/exit door.
> > > Wait for the exit delay to expire and then walk past the motion sensor
> > > Listen for the siren/bell or whatever audible device you have
> > > connected.
>
> > > Doug- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Looks like are 2 issues, the first is that auto-stay was enable so
> > thats been fixed. The IR needs to be
> > set to NC for the system to ready. I removed the series resistor and
> > and set it to TYPE10. The IR still
> > does not trip the alarm. I metered the HI/LO terminals and it always
> > read about 13.4VAC whether the
> > sensors beams where broken or not as indicated by the LED. I would
> > expect it the voltage to drop to
> > about 3VAC like the door switches.
>
> > Im thinking the IR is broken! ...anyone agree???
>
> > I think the installer is broken- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> why?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

type 10 is interior with delay. I think if the relay in the IR would
pick, then it work. Im going to try
replacing this sensor and/or moving it.

I don't know how or what your measuring with your meter or what you are
expecting to see, but the voltage across a N/C zone circuit should increase,
not decrease when it is opened, also its DC not AC. If its showing 13.4
volts all the time then the circuit is probably open all the time.

Its sounds like you're using a poke & hope method to try and solve the
problem rather than applying a little logic to it.
You can narrow it down by disconnecting the motion sensor circuit wires from
the panel.
Short out the panel zone terminals with a piece of wire, verify the zone
shows closed on the keypad and then arm the system, open and close an
entry/exit zone and wait for the exit delay to expire.
Open the zone by removing the wire, if it still doesn't activate then either
the programming is wrong, the board is toast or you aren't connecting the
wires to the correct terminals or a combination of the three...
If that works then reconnect the wires to the panel and disconnect the wires
at the motion and twist them together.
Verify the zone show closed and arm the system, open and close an entry/exit
zone, wait for the exit delay to expire and then untwist the wires, if it
works then the either the motion is defective or you've miswired it.

Doug





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