avoiding being

avoiding being "locked out"

Secure Home | Search | About
 CCTV, Alarms and other Physical Security    Post an article   get this group's latest topics as an RSS feed add this group's latest topics to your My MSN content add this group's latest topics to your My Yahoo content add this group's latest topics to your Google content
Subject Author Date
avoiding being "locked out" powercat 08-21-2005
Posted by on August 21, 2005, 6:01 am
If you were  Registered and logged in, you could reply and use other advanced thread options
Greetings I know a commercial alarm system installer who moonlights on
residential set-ups. Basically I do the unpleasant part (running the
wiring) and he does the programming and is paid appropriately for that
task. What he does not do is sell alarm monitoring to avoid a conflict
with his "real" employer.

This all sounds very fair to me. He does say "pick an alarm monitoring
company that won't "lock out" your panel and prevent you from switching
later".

In short how do you know if a company is engaged in that practice
(obviously I can ask). This sounds very shady to me especially if I
own the equipment.

Thanks for any comments.



Posted by Crash Gordon on August 21, 2005, 7:05 am
If you were  Registered and logged in, you could reply and use other advanced thread options
The main reason for locking the panel is to protect proprietary monitoring
information and protect the owner from having programming changed (possibily
by a moonlighter that doesn't know enough abt the system), all my panels are
locked. If a client wants to change monitoring co's all they have to do is
call for it to be unlocked and I remove our proprietary info.

Unfortunately, some less than ethical companies may use this feature to hold
their clients hostage.

hmmm.... I have to admit that it may be useful if the client hasn't paid for
monitoring in 9 months.



> Greetings I know a commercial alarm system installer who moonlights on
> residential set-ups. Basically I do the unpleasant part (running the
> wiring) and he does the programming and is paid appropriately for that
> task. What he does not do is sell alarm monitoring to avoid a conflict
> with his "real" employer.
>
> This all sounds very fair to me. He does say "pick an alarm monitoring
> company that won't "lock out" your panel and prevent you from switching
> later".
>
> In short how do you know if a company is engaged in that practice
> (obviously I can ask). This sounds very shady to me especially if I
> own the equipment.
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>




Posted by Russell Brill on August 21, 2005, 4:29 pm
If you were  Registered and logged in, you could reply and use other advanced thread options
I agree Crash... Any panel I monitor stays locked out, if the customer
cancels I remove my CS information and restore the installer/download code
to factory default.... Regards, Russ

> The main reason for locking the panel is to protect proprietary monitoring
> information and protect the owner from having programming changed
> (possibily by a moonlighter that doesn't know enough abt the system), all
> my panels are locked. If a client wants to change monitoring co's all they
> have to do is call for it to be unlocked and I remove our proprietary
> info.
>
> Unfortunately, some less than ethical companies may use this feature to
> hold their clients hostage.
>
> hmmm.... I have to admit that it may be useful if the client hasn't paid
> for monitoring in 9 months.
>
>
>
>> Greetings I know a commercial alarm system installer who moonlights on
>> residential set-ups. Basically I do the unpleasant part (running the
>> wiring) and he does the programming and is paid appropriately for that
>> task. What he does not do is sell alarm monitoring to avoid a conflict
>> with his "real" employer.
>>
>> This all sounds very fair to me. He does say "pick an alarm monitoring
>> company that won't "lock out" your panel and prevent you from switching
>> later".
>>
>> In short how do you know if a company is engaged in that practice
>> (obviously I can ask). This sounds very shady to me especially if I
>> own the equipment.
>>
>> Thanks for any comments.
>>
>
>




Posted by X. Boschman on August 21, 2005, 5:42 pm
If you were  Registered and logged in, you could reply and use other advanced thread options
> I agree Crash... Any panel I monitor stays locked out, if the customer
> cancels I remove my CS information and restore the installer/download code
> to factory default.... Regards, Russ
>
> > The main reason for locking the panel is to protect proprietary
monitoring
> > information and protect the owner from having programming changed
> > (possibily by a moonlighter that doesn't know enough abt the system),
all
> > my panels are locked. If a client wants to change monitoring co's all
they
> > have to do is call for it to be unlocked and I remove our proprietary
> > info.
> >
> > Unfortunately, some less than ethical companies may use this feature to
> > hold their clients hostage.
> >
> > hmmm.... I have to admit that it may be useful if the client hasn't paid
> > for monitoring in 9 months.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Greetings I know a commercial alarm system installer who moonlights on
> >> residential set-ups. Basically I do the unpleasant part (running the
> >> wiring) and he does the programming and is paid appropriately for that
> >> task. What he does not do is sell alarm monitoring to avoid a conflict
> >> with his "real" employer.
> >>
> >> This all sounds very fair to me. He does say "pick an alarm monitoring
> >> company that won't "lock out" your panel and prevent you from switching
> >> later".
> >>
> >> In short how do you know if a company is engaged in that practice
> >> (obviously I can ask). This sounds very shady to me especially if I
> >> own the equipment.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any comments.
> >>

Both you gentlemen are using "lock out" for its intended purpose. I have
always said that there is dubious legal grounds for a monitoring (or
installing or servicing) company refusing to turn a panel's control back to
its owner when they terminate relationships. If there are no outstanding
contractual obligations that can activated an agreed upon seizure of the
alarm system, claims would need to be pursued in the appropriate legal
venue.

In the old Radionics a locked out panel could be sent in for defaulting for
a nominal fee, but we always advised reciprocal cooperation when both
companies were still in business. Customers can flow in both directions,
after all, and word of mouth on a difficult termination doesn't help the
resistant company, and generally gains them nothing.

My line, repeated with great frequency, was "The lockcode is not intended to
prevent takeovers, but to protect proprietary data." Mr. Gordon explicitly
speaks in this spirit.

X.




Posted by Crash Gordon on August 21, 2005, 1:34 pm
If you were  Registered and logged in, you could reply and use other advanced thread options
hehee... I'm reading your reply and I get to the end and I'm saying...hmmm
WHO is this Mr. Gordon :-)

X Boschman...does the mean you usta work for Radx?


>> I agree Crash... Any panel I monitor stays locked out, if the customer
>> cancels I remove my CS information and restore the installer/download
>> code
>> to factory default.... Regards, Russ
>>
>> > The main reason for locking the panel is to protect proprietary
> monitoring
>> > information and protect the owner from having programming changed
>> > (possibily by a moonlighter that doesn't know enough abt the system),
> all
>> > my panels are locked. If a client wants to change monitoring co's all
> they
>> > have to do is call for it to be unlocked and I remove our proprietary
>> > info.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, some less than ethical companies may use this feature to
>> > hold their clients hostage.
>> >
>> > hmmm.... I have to admit that it may be useful if the client hasn't
>> > paid
>> > for monitoring in 9 months.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Greetings I know a commercial alarm system installer who moonlights on
>> >> residential set-ups. Basically I do the unpleasant part (running the
>> >> wiring) and he does the programming and is paid appropriately for that
>> >> task. What he does not do is sell alarm monitoring to avoid a
>> >> conflict
>> >> with his "real" employer.
>> >>
>> >> This all sounds very fair to me. He does say "pick an alarm
>> >> monitoring
>> >> company that won't "lock out" your panel and prevent you from
>> >> switching
>> >> later".
>> >>
>> >> In short how do you know if a company is engaged in that practice
>> >> (obviously I can ask). This sounds very shady to me especially if I
>> >> own the equipment.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for any comments.
>> >>
>
> Both you gentlemen are using "lock out" for its intended purpose. I have
> always said that there is dubious legal grounds for a monitoring (or
> installing or servicing) company refusing to turn a panel's control back
> to
> its owner when they terminate relationships. If there are no outstanding
> contractual obligations that can activated an agreed upon seizure of the
> alarm system, claims would need to be pursued in the appropriate legal
> venue.
>
> In the old Radionics a locked out panel could be sent in for defaulting
> for
> a nominal fee, but we always advised reciprocal cooperation when both
> companies were still in business. Customers can flow in both directions,
> after all, and word of mouth on a difficult termination doesn't help the
> resistant company, and generally gains them nothing.
>
> My line, repeated with great frequency, was "The lockcode is not intended
> to
> prevent takeovers, but to protect proprietary data." Mr. Gordon
> explicitly
> speaks in this spirit.
>
> X.
>
>




Similar ThreadsPosted
LOCKED PANEL August 30, 2007, 9:19 pm
Re: LOCKED PANEL September 2, 2007, 8:20 pm
Re: LOCKED PANEL September 4, 2007, 12:04 pm
Re: LOCKED PANEL September 5, 2007, 1:44 pm
Re: LOCKED PANEL September 7, 2007, 11:00 am
Locked Out by Vendor May 2, 2008, 11:21 am
New House Alarm - Am I locked out? April 18, 2007, 1:50 am
Doing research on locked up Alarm panel Phenomena August 27, 2006, 8:46 am
How to get a locked-up Brink's system working, Brink's screwed me October 24, 2007, 8:13 pm

The site map in XML format XML site map

Contact Us | Privacy Policy