Spectra IV not as Data Hardy as Spectra III ???

Spectra IV not as Data Hardy as Spectra III ???

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Spectra IV not as Data Hardy as Spectra III ??? Bob La Londe 02-04-2008
Posted by Bob La Londe on February 5, 2008, 10:48 am
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> Bob La Londe wrote:
>
>>> >Well, I found the problem. My guy had left about a 20' service loop
>>> >at each camera. I cut out the service loop and they all started
>>> >working. Wow! Talk about sensitive. Geez. Well... I guess its
>>> >time to look at some other cameras. At the price of Pelco you would
>>> >think they would be bullet proof.
>>>
>>> That shouldn't matter, was it twisted pair?
>>
>>22ga Stranded shielded twisted pair. It was the only thing I could figure
>>when it all worked in the end.
>
> 22ga TP/S sounds fine for the 200' runs. I wonder if maybe you just fixed
> a
> bad termination that was unseen? Glad you got it working.

I don't see how. We were able to operate each camera independently, and
even two at a time. There was some kind of conflict between camera 1 and
camera 3 on the control circuit. No clue, since cutting out the service
loops fixed the problems. Myabe a combination of things and reducing the
choke ( I don't see how an 8-10" coil could have much choke affect, but...)
affect of the service loops made it work well enough. I know Pelco was sure
no help. They kept repeating the same old stuff over and over again, but
changing the details from one tech to the next. At one point one of their
guys told me I should be using Cat 5 STP like that was the whole problem.

Another told me it was RS422, when it is clearly RS485 when controlling with
a keyboard in direct mode whether using P or D protocal.

Yet another tech had me almost convinced I must have a DOA back box.



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Posted by Bob La Londe on February 4, 2008, 3:37 pm
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> I can't seem to run 3 cameras off a KBD200A in direct mode with the
> Spectra IV over a combined wire length of 200'. =A0WHAT? =A0I've got as
> amany as 5 cameras Spectra IIIs running on one controller on other
> sites. =A0Is it a change in the cameras? =A0Are the new models more over
> sensitive? =A0Am I just experiencing a gremlin?
>
> Pelco from one guy to the next seems to be giving inconsistant advice
> also.
>
> Grrr....
>
> Up until today I've had pretty good luck with them, but somebody here
> once stated that Pelco are not one of the best PTZ MFGs. =A0Who is?

Well, I found the problem. My guy had left about a 20' service loop
at each camera. I cut out the service loop and they all started
working. Wow! Talk about sensitive. Geez. Well... I guess its
time to look at some other cameras. At the price of Pelco you would
think they would be bullet proof.

Posted by Just Looking on February 4, 2008, 4:02 pm
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The ones I've had the fewest problems with are Bosch Envirodomes. The AD
PTZs always scare me with the insect problems they introduce, as well as the
issues with those snap on teeth for making electrical connection. The
factory rep actually snapped off some teeth trying to demonstrate to us how
"solid and easy to install" they were. Samsungs are cheap but I have had
problems with protocols they say they accept but don't. Panasonic units seem
more expensive for what you get, and seem to fail in groups right after the
warranty expires. Spectra seems like there is less to them than other units,
less robust.

> I can't seem to run 3 cameras off a KBD200A in direct mode with the
> Spectra IV over a combined wire length of 200'. WHAT? I've got as
> amany as 5 cameras Spectra IIIs running on one controller on other
> sites. Is it a change in the cameras? Are the new models more over
> sensitive? Am I just experiencing a gremlin?
>
> Pelco from one guy to the next seems to be giving inconsistant advice
> also.
>
> Grrr....
>
> Up until today I've had pretty good luck with them, but somebody here
> once stated that Pelco are not one of the best PTZ MFGs. Who is?



Posted by Silicon Sam on February 4, 2008, 8:26 pm
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> The AD PTZs always scare me with the insect problems they introduce, as =
well as the
> issues with those snap on teeth for making electrical connection. The
> factory rep actually snapped off some teeth trying to demonstrate to us ho=
w
> "solid and easy to install" they were.

Gawd, do I know what ya mean. Them fingers on the contacts suck.
And I have a location in San Antonio, TX, and the wasps around there
love to live inside the AD domes during the winters around here. And
bad thing is they don't come out en masse until the dome is off. You
can bang on the dome, loosen the screws, and as soon as the cover
drops, they come out in a mass. Not fun...

Posted by Just Looking on February 4, 2008, 8:47 pm
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I bet Bob La Londe uses the wasp larva in the nest for bait. After he takes
the technician to the ER of course.

> The AD PTZs always scare me with the insect problems they introduce, as
well as the
> issues with those snap on teeth for making electrical connection. The
> factory rep actually snapped off some teeth trying to demonstrate to us
how
> "solid and easy to install" they were.

Gawd, do I know what ya mean. Them fingers on the contacts suck.
And I have a location in San Antonio, TX, and the wasps around there
love to live inside the AD domes during the winters around here. And
bad thing is they don't come out en masse until the dome is off. You
can bang on the dome, loosen the screws, and as soon as the cover
drops, they come out in a mass. Not fun...



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