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Posted by Sue on May 22, 2007, 9:28 am
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You know, you guys, there are some smart people out there besides you.
There are people with engineering degrees that can read a manual, know what
continuity is, can use a voltmeter and know when to ask questions. Luckily
tho, I don't go to church. :-)
>>>> At least until the fire marshall yellow-tags it
>>>
>>> So far that has not happened. I've been
>>> catering to DIY for 9 years online and 30
>>> total years in the business.
>>>
>>> Perhaps Leuck is better acquainted with
>>> yellow tags on his own installations?
>>
>> That has never happened with my installs...
>
> Uh-huh. Amd yet the first thing you thought
> of was that. Hmm. Next you'll tell us you're
> a pilot...
>
>> and over the years I've been back to many
>> of them, you on the other hand could never
>> tell since you've not been out to any of your
>> DIY'er fire installations...
>
> Well, as usual you're wrong. I've visited a
> number of my DIY clients' sites over the years.
> I actually have quite a few local customers
> who have installed their own security, fire and
> CCTV systems. The surprising thing for me
> in this business is the number of companies
> that have chosen to buy access control and
> commercial fire alarm systems and use their
> own employees to install them. It's nice that
> the laws allow that virtually everywhere.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Robert L Bass
>
> =============================>
> Bass Home Electronics
> 941-925-8650
> 4883 Fallcrest Circle
> Sarasota · Florida · 34233
> http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
> =============================>
>
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Posted by Jim on May 22, 2007, 11:42 am
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> You know, you guys, there are some smart people out there besides you.
> There are people with engineering degrees that can read a manual, know wh=
at
> continuity is, can use a voltmeter and know when to ask questions. =A0Luc=
kily
> tho, I don't go to church. =A0:-)
>
It's not a matter of "smart" it's a matter of experiece and knowing
"what" questions to ask. There's "always" a learning curve that
DIY'ers and Dead ass Bass, will never admit exists and what the
comparitive cost for it are. The cost of labor and the extended amount
of time to do the job is never/EVER, mentioned by anyone involved with
a DIY project. It's always
compaing the cost of equipment to the cost of equipment AND labor and
always ignores the time, labor, expense and cost of mistakes of the
DIY'er. When you add it all up at the going rates for a professional
to do the job, it's pretty damn close and when done by a professional,
subsequent problems are his. A DIY'er has the burden of responsibility
of maintaining the system forever. The initial project might be a
challange but most times, they eventually opt to have a professional
come in. That's where most of the alarm installers come in contact
with the ..... shall we say ..... "unorthodox" methods, that are
typical to DIY installations. In other words, ..... the systems done
by DIY'ers may work, but, at the end, without inspections by someone
familiar with the standard and traditional way of doing things, when a
professional finally DOES get involved, trying to figure out how
things were done in order to test, repair or maintain a system, gets
to be ..... if not difficult, just simply a PITA.
The example I often give is the DIR'er who called me in because he
couldn't locate an open on his burglar alarm system. He'd seen the
drawing on the panel door instructions, that shows a wire coming from
one zone terminal with contacts in series and the other end of the
wire going back to the box to the other zone terminal. Sure enough, he
ran one single wire out from the box to every door and window with all
the wires buried in the wall. No test points, no drops to the basement
or attic. Nothing exposed.
Oh, and not going to church is no problem as long as you spent the
previous night at a Holiday Inn.
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Posted by Sue on May 25, 2007, 7:38 pm
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installed our own with advice from a DIY alarm shop. Consequently we knew
every wire, every switch, and all the details of the system. It worked
great. The only time we had a problem was when we were struck by lightning
and it fried the panel. But we had it up and going again with a new panel
within 24 hours because we knew exactly what to do.
When I had a professional installation done at my condo after my divorce, we
had numerous problems, and it always took time and money to get them fixed.
I have sinced moved into a house with a system that was already installed.
The installer was kind enough to give me his code so that I could make some
needed changes. I really enjoyed reading the manuals and getting to know
the system. Of course when this dies, I will call Jack. ;-)
> You know, you guys, there are some smart people out there besides you.
> There are people with engineering degrees that can read a manual, know
> what
> continuity is, can use a voltmeter and know when to ask questions. Luckily
> tho, I don't go to church. :-)
>
It's not a matter of "smart" it's a matter of experiece and knowing
"what" questions to ask. There's "always" a learning curve that
DIY'ers and Dead ass Bass, will never admit exists and what the
comparitive cost for it are. The cost of labor and the extended amount
of time to do the job is never/EVER, mentioned by anyone involved with
a DIY project. It's always
compaing the cost of equipment to the cost of equipment AND labor and
always ignores the time, labor, expense and cost of mistakes of the
DIY'er. When you add it all up at the going rates for a professional
to do the job, it's pretty damn close and when done by a professional,
subsequent problems are his. A DIY'er has the burden of responsibility
of maintaining the system forever. The initial project might be a
challange but most times, they eventually opt to have a professional
come in. That's where most of the alarm installers come in contact
with the ..... shall we say ..... "unorthodox" methods, that are
typical to DIY installations. In other words, ..... the systems done
by DIY'ers may work, but, at the end, without inspections by someone
familiar with the standard and traditional way of doing things, when a
professional finally DOES get involved, trying to figure out how
things were done in order to test, repair or maintain a system, gets
to be ..... if not difficult, just simply a PITA.
The example I often give is the DIR'er who called me in because he
couldn't locate an open on his burglar alarm system. He'd seen the
drawing on the panel door instructions, that shows a wire coming from
one zone terminal with contacts in series and the other end of the
wire going back to the box to the other zone terminal. Sure enough, he
ran one single wire out from the box to every door and window with all
the wires buried in the wall. No test points, no drops to the basement
or attic. Nothing exposed.
Oh, and not going to church is no problem as long as you spent the
previous night at a Holiday Inn.
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Posted by Carl Carlson on May 25, 2007, 8:33 pm
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> All I know is that my previous husband and I, we are both engineers,
> installed our own with advice from a DIY alarm shop. Consequently we
> knew every wire, every switch, and all the details of the system. It
> worked great. The only time we had a problem was when we were struck
> by lightning and it fried the panel. But we had it up and going
> again with a new panel within 24 hours because we knew exactly what
> to do.
> When I had a professional installation done at my condo after my
> divorce, we had numerous problems, and it always took time and money
> to get them fixed. I have sinced moved into a house with a system
> that was already installed. The installer was kind enough to give me
> his code so that I could make some needed changes. I really enjoyed
> reading the manuals and getting to know the system. Of course when
> this dies, I will call Jack. ;-)
Call me what?
js
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Posted by Sue on May 27, 2007, 11:12 am
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> Sue wrote:
>> All I know is that my previous husband and I, we are both engineers,
>> installed our own with advice from a DIY alarm shop. Consequently we
>> knew every wire, every switch, and all the details of the system. It
>> worked great. The only time we had a problem was when we were struck
>> by lightning and it fried the panel. But we had it up and going
>> again with a new panel within 24 hours because we knew exactly what
>> to do.
>> When I had a professional installation done at my condo after my
>> divorce, we had numerous problems, and it always took time and money
>> to get them fixed. I have sinced moved into a house with a system
>> that was already installed. The installer was kind enough to give me
>> his code so that I could make some needed changes. I really enjoyed
>> reading the manuals and getting to know the system. Of course when
>> this dies, I will call Jack. ;-)
>
> Call me what?
> js
>
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